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September 30, 2002 01:59 pm ET - research by Briel

summoned King Bugbear vs. summoned Ettin

Briel sent us this email about some research he has done on the HK servers. This goes along the lines of what NEO from Dep server (the only 52+ mage) was saying before he quit.


One of the mages in HK server has leveled to 52. He felt that the new
Ettin summons is weaker than the bugbear king summons. Therefore we did a
test to compare the power of ettins summon and bugbear king summon.

Bugbear King
HP: 330
MP: 30
Lv: 28 (in HK server)
Attack Speed: 68.57 time/minute
Hasted Attack Speed: 85.71 time/minute
Walking Speed: 90 step/minute
Hasted Walking Speed: 120 step/minute

Ettin
HP: 380
MP: 70
Lv: 33 (in HK server)
Attack Speed: 49.66 time/minute
Hasted Attack Speed: 62.09 time/minute
Walking Speed: 90 step/minute
Hasted Walking Speed: 120 step/minute

1st Match: bugbear king vs ettin, bugbear king attack first.
Winner: bugbear king (about 30% HP left)

2nd Match: bugbear king vs ettin, ettin king attack first.
Winner: bugbear king (about 10% HP left)

3rd Match: bugbear king(hasted) vs ettin(hasted), bugbear king attack 
first.
Winner: bugbear king (about 45% HP left)

4th Match: bugbear king(hasted) vs ettin(hasted), ettin attack first.
Winner: bugbear king (about 5% HP left)

As a result, no matter who attack first, and hasted or not, bugbear king
summon is stronger than the ettin summon!

September 30, 2002 02:00 pm ET (#1)

dutchpower
Loyal Fan
81 posts
10-25-01

that is lame!!!!

September 30, 2002 02:02 pm ET (#2)

recamel
Loyal Fan
51 posts
04-12-02

hummm ettin sux -.- make lvl 52 summon cyc's or mur's

September 30, 2002 02:05 pm ET (#3)

TwistMeh
Loyal Fan
146 posts
06-17-02

Don't you know the weaker summons are supposed to off set the extra power the mages get after lv52. Just like how knights do less damage after lvl52, oh wait that's not true �.�

September 30, 2002 02:12 pm ET (#4)

YuGi
Loyal Fan
159 posts
02-19-02

Great.....mages are getting weaker and weaker now~~

September 30, 2002 02:17 pm ET (#5)

Neo
Loyal Fan
219 posts
12-05-01

I reported all those stuff to NCI staff 1 month ago (may be more hmm)
they said they sent all report + tests to Seoul staff
guess they cant do much about it, well can they do anything anyway?

And yes its very annoying to get 52 and get a worst summon (its only looks cool)
they are slow , take lots of space on screen , hit weak , and die fast.

Only thing ettins looks better at is VS succubus (may be only coz of hp..i dunno i always hated to hunt with pets, but choosed CHA coz i though it would be cool to have those 'beast'. illusions illusions...).

on a side note: kbb summoned got -70hp from wild one
ettin summon got -120hp from wild one (if ettin is 500.. have been 600 to)
ettins summoned were lvl 35 in USA

Wanted to add this since im still in contact with Amer and i respect his job. even im out and wont come back in lineage =)

Good Luck

Neo

September 30, 2002 02:22 pm ET (#6)

NeoCross
Loyal Fan
139 posts
03-20-02

I don't blame you

You finally did the impossible and did it before any other country.........

then NC says ta ta ta hahahahahahahaaha ur fooked anyway

screw them NC is the gay backwards company of gayness

September 30, 2002 02:30 pm ET (#7)

Jasuda
Loyal Fan
26 posts
03-13-02

Call me a Babo, but how do you get summons to fight each other?

September 30, 2002 02:35 pm ET (#8)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

NC really suck man , its the first compagny i say that , it suck !

GO BLIZZARD WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT

September 30, 2002 03:03 pm ET (#9)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

In these tests.. did the ettin stop to haste itself? If the KBB is swinging but the ettin is hasting itself, of course the KBB will win. Perhaps NC should add a control to the ettin hasting itself, so it won't haste itself unless un-hasted.

September 30, 2002 03:23 pm ET (#10)

SM00TH
Loyal Fan
14 posts
09-29-02

YA THAT DOES REALLY SUCK.AFTER ALL THAT HARD WORK TO GET THERE YOU GET CRAP AT THE END SRRY MAGE'S HOPE THEY CHANGE IT FOR YOU!

September 30, 2002 03:54 pm ET (#11)

Rincewind
Loyal Fan
279 posts
02-12-02

Sucky.

September 30, 2002 03:58 pm ET (#12)

Linny
Loyal Fan
166 posts
05-01-02

hmmm so the only points to get higher and higher for mages are only +stat bonuse and dk morph... same as knights so mages are getting worst and worst in my poor eyes who liked a lot to play with them

September 30, 2002 04:18 pm ET (#13)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

ouff that has really got to suck for lvl 52+mages i got to admit nc is gonna have to do something with these mages soon.

September 30, 2002 04:18 pm ET (#14)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

NC will make kbb weaker instead of making ettins stronger. Just wait, you'll see. That's how they do things.

September 30, 2002 04:18 pm ET (#15)

Substance
Loyal Fan
186 posts
09-25-02

i think all the summon should be adjust
lev 28..-.- werewolf....lev 6 dober even better in atk
lev 32..lizards...uh...thats ok...but lev 32 can carry both lev 32 dobers..
lev 36..ratman...spart even better in that way
lev 40...yay..bb...thats ok..
lev 44...better..kbb
lev 52..psh! Ettin...-.-...i rather have 2 lev 52 dober instead...dunno if they exist or not..-.-

September 30, 2002 04:34 pm ET (#16)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

No, they'll give the summoned ettin more HP.

I'm guessing everytime the ettin gets hit, it hastes itself. Look at it this way: two mages dueling, both 18str/con, equal AC, couple level difference... one mage decides to cast haste at the beginning of the duel; while the first mage is hasting himself, mage #2 is swinging in full glory. Mage #2 wins hands down.

If the ettin is already hasted, it shouldn't feel the need to haste itself(again). But, KBB hit harder than ettins; ettin have more HP.. it's easier to 3:1 ettin than 3:1 KBB.. go try it =)

September 30, 2002 04:48 pm ET (#17)

archibald
Loyal Fan
12 posts
09-30-02

summoned ettins don't self-haste. ettins get owned by kbb simply cus they are not fast enuf and don't deal out enuf dmg to make of the dif in speed.

this is something else on the long list of things done to deter ppl from playing the mage class. these updates seem to help elves and knights which in turn hurts mages...especially during sieges and pk servers. NEO made a great accomplishment! its unfortunate that lineage is a very good game that has very poor support. NCI, improve ur service to increase members.

September 30, 2002 04:51 pm ET (#18)

ruben
Loyal Fan
355 posts
10-07-01

NC has time to fix this, im still lvl 48.27% ;)

September 30, 2002 04:59 pm ET (#19)

VoLT
Loyal Fan
174 posts
12-02-01

another reason to die at 51

September 30, 2002 05:04 pm ET (#20)

VoLT
Loyal Fan
174 posts
12-02-01

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August 20, 2002 06:16 pm ET (#11)
BigPope
LC Admin
450 posts
01-18-02
As long as Neo helps paldo he deserves to die.
I myself is celebrating cus he died
I only wish he droped a good item.
All paldo and its allies will be hunted til they quit -.-

-------------------

1 down... 100 more to go? o.o

September 30, 2002 05:23 pm ET (#21)

Traen
Loyal Fan
59 posts
01-19-02

That's so beat!!!

September 30, 2002 05:26 pm ET (#22)

ZPsyMageZ
Loyal Fan
110 posts
12-01-01

ROFL, lame nc -.-

September 30, 2002 05:47 pm ET (#23)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

You people still don't see it? NC wants all non-knights to die and start new knights so they have less people to worry about......

September 30, 2002 06:03 pm ET (#24)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

#17: I remember NEO saying that the ettin would haste itself if it was attacked, but not if directed to attack..

The 20% discrepancy between the unhasted KBB attack first(and surviving with 30% HP) and the unhasted ettin attacking first(KBB survive with 10% HP) can be attributed to the ettin hasting itself in mid-fight. And also the 40% discrepancy between KBB first and ettin first in hasted duels.

If the ettin didn't haste itself, the numbers would be the same for both duels, KBB surviving with either 10% or 5% HP. Since the ettin stops swinging to cast spell, the KBB kills the ettin with more HP.

It's not something NC did, necessarily, on purpose. All the summoned creatures are a bit weaker than the "wild" versions. NC just needs to tweak the Ettin's stats, definetly its HP but also perhaps its attacking power, so that the Ettin has a clear and unmistakeable advantage over KBB, like KBB has over Skele Guard, like Skele Guard has over BB, like etc etc

September 30, 2002 06:16 pm ET (#25)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

reduce kbb attack....nc will do that , they are gay

September 30, 2002 06:22 pm ET (#26)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

i rather have 3 succabus queens that is worth gettting to 52 succabus queen looks better attack way much better and has fast walk also use magic so hit always i think not really sure but if it is succabus queen is much much much better but anyways NC will never give mages that. Btw isnt there a lvl 57 mage on korea? dayem that person is crazy lvlin a mage like that with alll these updates and badly affect mage.

I have no complain about what they do to elves cept for one TAKE OFF THE DAYEM DELAYS OFF b2s and naturetouch!!!! 15 secs delay after naturetouch and 5 secs for b2s wanna balence game to knights - elves take off delay so i can cast endless naturetouch and i can stand in front of knights taking dmg till they leave but i wont be able to attack which is fine weeeee~~~~~~

Kbbs to me are better than ettins in every category.

September 30, 2002 06:27 pm ET (#27)

Loki
Loyal Fan
14 posts
09-11-02

summoned mops r useless anyway, especially for non-hunt purposes, i fought neo's ettins one time in giran castle, the first one went down with a loss of 1 hp, the second one with about 20, if there was a combination of them with the mage assisting they might be somewhat of a challenge, but the apparent weakness of the mage class is ridiculous. shouldn't 3-4 lvls make a huge dif when fighting, especially those ranging 50+, why can a lvl 48-9 knight take out the monsters of a 52 mage with barely a scratch? one more reason why i quit my mage and went to a knight.

September 30, 2002 06:36 pm ET (#28)

TAMJAS
Loyal Fan
7 posts
09-30-02

i thought ettin was stronger 0_o

September 30, 2002 06:46 pm ET (#29)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

3 succabus queen hurt a knight especially if they go w/o mr% set
1 hurts imagine 3-4 weeee~

September 30, 2002 06:50 pm ET (#30)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

that is truly disappointing....
ppl aiming to reach lvl 52 with their mage aren't gonna be very active in reaching there anymore...
it would be much better if they made the ettin hit more damage like the wild version of the ettin....
or they could possibly increase the HP higher like 450 and hit slightly harder...
yes...another downfall for mages...but it is like the kbb is the str knight and the ettin is the con knight....con loses...
or maybe hype the ettin up to what we hear about the fogotten island version...
not the godly attack power and HP, but when it hastes, it attacks like a braved up knight would be a nice treat reaching lvl 52...

September 30, 2002 07:01 pm ET (#31)

DragonX
Loyal Fan
65 posts
09-17-02

amer take this off..nc is gunna make kbb weaker T_T;

September 30, 2002 07:02 pm ET (#32)

dutchpower
Loyal Fan
81 posts
10-25-01

I'm not totally sure about this but i tought the summoned ettins dont self-haste unless they get hit by another player
So in the duels ettin didnt haste itself..because it was hit by a summoned king bugbear and not a pc.

September 30, 2002 07:38 pm ET (#33)

Tornado
Loyal Fan
43 posts
09-08-02

lol me2 dutch

September 30, 2002 07:47 pm ET (#34)

Substance
Loyal Fan
186 posts
09-25-02

LOL
this is wat NC should do
:give us all 1 month free for the poor service!

September 30, 2002 07:55 pm ET (#35)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

let's review of the bonuses each class have at lv 50:

(knight) lv 1 spell (yay!....oh wait..u can make lv 1 spell scrolls...nvm)

(elf) rotc "ability" (from official board nc staff: the ability will allow you to directly teleport to the bookmark if it's in the elven forest region, but it'll teleport you to the nearest location if the bookmark's outside of elven forest. for example, you bookmarked giran storage dwarf, you'll get teleport to giran town, but random in location)

(prince) maximum capacity of the bloodpledge will be charisma x 3 instead of charisma x 2

(mage) none (nc: and we dont think we'll put it in anytime soon)

lv 51 + 52 bonuses:...the morphs! and the +1 stat upon lv!!!!!!
mage special addition: summon ettin that's weaker than kbb...

now here's the trade off, get dk morph, have sucky summon (ettin)
lose dk morph (de-lv to 51), have better summon (kbb)

nc's definitely not encouraging any mage to go 52+ - -:..
summon nerf, ac nerf, som nerf...oh yea..wait til they put staff into 2-hand - -;..that's gonna wipe out most of the mage population..

this would be a good option for mages as a lv 50 bonus: you can choose what monsters to summon above lv 50 (ww, lizard, ratman, bb, kbb, and at 52, ettin)
then it'll defintely boost up the ppl..i think...

September 30, 2002 07:58 pm ET (#36)

smckilla
Loyal Fan
27 posts
03-29-02

NC is a lame company. They could have alot more members if they would stop messing up the mages. Anybody could see that o.o But not NC of course. They are too dumb.

September 30, 2002 08:05 pm ET (#37)

Myshella
Loyal Fan
77 posts
03-04-02

that sux a lot, i thought it was better!

September 30, 2002 08:10 pm ET (#38)

NoLuCK
Loyal Fan
76 posts
03-21-02

Volt. Bullies often back down when you stand up to them. Paldo is 99% gone. Goal accomplished.

Seems Neo did a lot of work for nothing.. I mean no work for nothing.. I mean.. Rather than complain that mage sux (and oh yes, it does) just switch characters. I finally took my own advice and am so very happy.. if you could play mage - a knight will be a breeze.. im sure you could do it in your sleep.

NoLuCK

Do Elves Love or Pheer HIm = money for nothing and the chicks for free? (Sorry inside joke. Executable knows what i mean - dont you mr. roboto.. poke.. poke..)

September 30, 2002 08:32 pm ET (#39)

speedy454
Loyal Fan
13 posts
10-04-02

Don�t forget they also nerfed the spell power now it is 13 max. I made a wiz int mage after not playing for a year and a half thinking that 4-6 bugbear would be ok and also not realizing they nerfed the spell power. At lvl 38 they ruin summon at lvl 44 I didn�t gain anymore sp. Now everyone has 60+ MR My Ac is gone I have under 270 hp at lvl 46 and I can get ended by newbies. Good job on the Ettin's NC Why not just eliminate the mage class We are useless now any ways. I Should have stuck with a knight. Also love the pot delay.

September 30, 2002 08:39 pm ET (#40)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

DP: How do you explain why there is 20% difference unhasted and 40% difference hasted in the duels? If the ettin doesn't haste itself, it shouldn't matter which hit first, the numbers would be +/- 1% .. not 20-40%. You can ignore the numbers, or come up with some other reason for the difference in duel, but to me, the numbers say that the ettin is busy hasting itself while the KBB is destroying it.

The KBB would be dogfood if NC would give the ettin 30-50 more HP.

September 30, 2002 09:05 pm ET (#41)

BloodLusts
Loyal Fan
313 posts
01-26-02

isnt being lvl 52 mage enough ~~
ur like stronger then every other mage
and for sure ur never gona be stronger then a knight (unless u use magics smartly and have a hi SP)

I was wondering would it be possible to like have a chart that tells stuff about SP and like what are the chances of casting para w-b and stuff

I hope you know what im talking about o.o

September 30, 2002 09:14 pm ET (#42)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

Another reason for the big difference in the duel....
The kbb hits faster, resulting in more pausing on the ettin..
and don't forget they do hit hard to each other...
so the first hit would matter...

And mages r doomed....elf MR is so high, chances of a successful curse spell cast upon them is not likely...y have MR items when they r given it already...
Another bad decision behave of NC...

True that the knight is always the strongest in melee..
but not this strong....
I'm pretty sure lineage won't be around in North American servers in a yr at the rate of ppl quitting now.....

September 30, 2002 09:34 pm ET (#43)

Substance
Loyal Fan
186 posts
09-25-02

yo gigi..wat do u mean?
choose any monster above lev 50?
or choose summon when ur lev is 50?
but why would u choose other summon ( ww, liz, rat, bb, kbb)when u're lev 50?
arent u gonna stick with kbb?> coz strongest

September 30, 2002 09:36 pm ET (#44)

FrozenYak
Loyal Fan
125 posts
09-30-02

I think some ppl are missing the point, yes NC could increase the ettin or decrease the KBB so the ettin can win. But the ettin should be annihilating, not just winning, 52 is such a hard lvl to get to a mage needs some real benefit for getting to that lvl.
If i see a knight in DK morph commin after me I run like the pincushion i am, but if I was a lvl 52 elf I would hope that I would have the ability to at least compete with a DK with my spells. Just like this a Summon mage with his ettins should be able to compete with a DK morphed knight. But now with NC's ingenious idea to cause a mage to go up to 8000 chao or so from some spells, and the ettin being nothing more than a distraction to a DK morph - hows a mage supposed to compete?

September 30, 2002 09:39 pm ET (#45)

Toi
Loyal Fan
79 posts
09-21-02

nc's horrible programmer and lack of considering what the customer wants strikes again! -_-; ITS NOT FAIR!

September 30, 2002 09:40 pm ET (#46)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

Substance you can pretend to be low lvl o.o

September 30, 2002 09:41 pm ET (#47)

Substance
Loyal Fan
186 posts
09-25-02

i dont mind getting ettins or wat
but -8000?
thats crazy man

September 30, 2002 09:43 pm ET (#48)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

HAHA! HAHA! NC STUPID!

September 30, 2002 09:56 pm ET (#49)

True_egg
Loyal Fan
25 posts
09-13-02

Um........

Is it just me or did anyone else realize that ettins are weak anyway... I didn't need some elaborate test to learn that... They're giant weaklings... I remember going down to dvc and having ettins do like 10-20 dmg to me every hit... I have always thought of King BBs as being stronger but I guess now here is proof.

Lineage is goin downhill bad... I don't miss it at all.. I'll see u all in lin2...

-Egg

September 30, 2002 10:02 pm ET (#50)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

#45: what's good for the game isn't always what the customer wants.. like pot delay makes every part of the game more interesting, but only 1% of the population realized it was actually a "good" thing when it came.

#44: You saw NEO's AC right? -7x for a mage? Ya.. well. what do you think he was swinging? I'd bet money that he had +8/9SOF/SOM. Summons are an extension of the mage's power, not the mage's power themselves. The weaker a mage you are, the more pets you have. 18con/wis 12cha mages have low str but decent MP so 3 pets; 18con/str mages have low MP but good str, so 2 pets; 18cha/con mages have bad MP and str so they have 4 pets. Why would NEO invest in -7x AC and +8/9 SOF/SOM(probably) if he was gonna run around while his summons killed stuff?

#47: that update isn't even off Korean Test so stop whining about it -.-

September 30, 2002 10:03 pm ET (#51)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

I bet we never see another lvl 52 mage. I bet NC planned on it. God I fell sorry for those lvl 55 and up mages in Korea. Unless they add every point to INT and have uber spell power they are worthless.

September 30, 2002 10:52 pm ET (#52)

winipcfg1
Loyal Fan
10 posts
09-30-02

NC can u think of somefing bettter ????

September 30, 2002 10:52 pm ET (#53)

mmorpg
Loyal Fan
63 posts
09-18-02

>.< figures, nc ****** up again they must not know what there doing or they dont like there jobs o.o

September 30, 2002 11:09 pm ET (#54)

wingzerohero
Loyal Fan
109 posts
03-06-02

ettins need more hp bout 100 more

but nc will nerf the kbb not improve but always make it worse for mages

and the mage that hastes itself in the start loses only cause mages are the slowest spell casters in lineage.
Knights cast faster than mages... go figure...

September 30, 2002 11:10 pm ET (#55)

Substance
Loyal Fan
186 posts
09-25-02

one question...which takes off most exp? ettin or kbb?

September 30, 2002 11:47 pm ET (#56)

Raistleen
Loyal Fan
60 posts
05-16-02

just two ideas:
When knight wasn't the uber melee fighter, what did nc do?->nerf the rest, so expect a kbb nerf to make the ett the uber summoned pet.

Why is the service for lineage getting so and so low quality?->Lin2 in like 1 year(not sure), they have to begin forcing the lin1 players to switch if they want to focus their resources in lin2 support.

As of me... well, seing the customer service from lin1 and the wonderfull response to utter cries of pain from costumers... i think blizzard is coming to town with another nice game... ;)

October 01, 2002 12:24 am ET (#57)

UltraCoolElf
Loyal Fan
105 posts
02-19-02

so that means, either nc boost up ettins, dont hit lvl 52, or become the strongest... A STR MAGE
meh.... theres a mage in kor with 18str/18dex/18con/18wis/16/18int

October 01, 2002 12:29 am ET (#58)

CrazyManiac
Loyal Fan
37 posts
06-23-02

*ANOTHER* thing NC could do is allow mages to chose which summon they would like, such as, if you have kbb, you can choose to summon: kbb, skele guards, bb, ratman, werewolf, etc. But they also have to give the ettin about 70-100 more hp. If they want to switch us to lin2, then give us our characters and items on lin2 o.o

October 01, 2002 12:35 am ET (#59)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

The whole point of a mage summoning is to make money on a hunt or a source of protection from pkers....
if u wanna gain exp....well...all lvl 50+ ppl know better....solo hunting is needed....

The fact is....they should have made the ettin stronger....defeats the purpose of reaching lvl 52+ in the first place.....

I say they should change the Ettin to Astagio...
u ppl seen how much Ast hurt.....they HURT....compared to Taurverus...
Even Taurverus would be a nice summon...weak 2 range attack but strong in melee...
of course we'll never see such happen.....we can only dream....

and I do think controlling what u summon would be great idea....
u're wondering what the point in doing that since u would use the strongest summon rite....?
well...ppl like to play around and might summon weaker ones like wws for fun...

The ettins u see in dvc aren't hard if u're a knight......
they only hurt if u're not a knight....sadly....
just blame NC for that AC nerf....

October 01, 2002 01:24 am ET (#60)

PikaPoo
Loyal Fan
59 posts
01-24-02

You Mages better watch out for ur kingbugbears
U know How Sneaky NCI is
They can sneak in a couple of updates u woudltn even know..
Like make the king bugbear weaker.. less hp!
Blah blah blah!
So dont be surprised if u find ur king bugbear 50-70 hp less and kill alot slower the next day. Cuz it will.. Maybe or Maybe Not Happen.!
But the way nci's been. Im Pretty sure it "MIGHT" Happen

October 01, 2002 01:41 am ET (#61)

Tran
Loyal Fan
140 posts
06-25-02

back then when lineage was in BETA was so much more better...EVERYONE had fun and now they just go and let someone run the company and change stuff up...oh how I miss the beta days...everything was so fun...

October 01, 2002 01:50 am ET (#62)

Arq_dude
Loyal Fan
6 posts
07-04-02

WOW! I Havent been in the game for awhile and WOW!
The only Character i play is a mage! I had no other options of a new charcter
Me having 2 brothers and all.All the slots were taken.So
I learned to deal with the mage nerfs. BUT I MEAN COME ON NC.
First (of what i heard) Death Knight cant be healed to death anymore...
how will a mage 1:1 that thing now?THEY CANT!
Next Comes the Soft ac as soon as that update was patched in
You wouldnt believe all the deaths there were...
I was dieing 4-6 times a night before i found a (very expensive way)
to counter that change.
Then Came the -3 to hit for SOM WOW! that helped alot...
Then there was the CHA/summon change...Elves get a +2bonus mages and princes +1
why do elves get +2 as NC might sya it wil balance the game...right
Then there is what i would call 2nd summon nerf...
I would really like to see how much my mage sux when i get back on lineage
but theres no way NC will have its way...If it wants everyone to change to knights i wont give them what they want ill stay i mage and piss them
off as long as i can... thats all

October 01, 2002 04:08 am ET (#63)

Darkweave
Loyal Fan
20 posts
04-18-02

NC just proves that they actually have a room full of monkeys banging out code and just hoping to get something out of it.............
NC killed my mage and I'm done. There's no way I'm playin Lin2 either, I don't see their service getting any better just because they come out with another game >.<

I'm just waitin on Asheron's Call 2, NC can go pound sand for all I care.....

Until then it's Divine Divinity :P

October 01, 2002 04:41 am ET (#64)

Ranger
Loyal Fan
144 posts
06-21-02

#62: How does a knight/elf/prince 1:1 DK? Have you been to DK in the past.. 2 months? Besides the 1900hp, -65ac, and 7x str.. add in some amazing con and a hellacious attack rate.. you might as well bring your toe tag with you already filled out if you expect to 1:1 DK with ANY class. Maybe Light, Posiedon or Hercules could 1:1 it, but they are lvl6x with DK morph and uber-weapons/stats/AC.

October 01, 2002 05:02 am ET (#65)

Dlirk
LC Reporter
75 posts
01-06-02

I easily 1:1 dk with my knight on test about a week ago...
I only had -6x ac too

October 01, 2002 01:08 pm ET (#66)

LadyBritish
Loyal Fan
207 posts
01-28-02

hahahaha... darkweave

that sounds like amer's job >v<

except amer's been luckier =)

October 01, 2002 02:45 pm ET (#67)

FrozenYak
Loyal Fan
125 posts
09-30-02

#50
Heres the point i was trying to make, i(elf) dueled a con mage with almost the same ac/lvl as me, i was fully boosted as so was he, in combat he used sof and we had an almost dead even fight.

Now, i was sayin, if i was fightin a char mage, i would consider it fair for him to have his summons in the fight. And like this the fight may not b completely even but there are a variety of options i could use in the fight that may allow me to win.

Now, if i was fighting a knight, elfs and mages have the ability to easily cast spells on a knight to hinder them, but with the exception of paralyze i have found no way to beat a knight with equal ac/lvl as me. I mean hey, a canceled knight of the same lvl/ac fightin me can still beat me(although barely) when im wafered and hasted - and with an elfs lllllooowww chance of casting paralyze im pretty much dead all the time. Shouldnt there be some equalization in all this? Shouldnt I stand some chance of killing a knight without just hoping for my life that paralyze works?

Its because of this u dont see elves using swords as much now, after all with the nerfed ac a str/con elf will now get annihilated by a knight - its just in my opinion a knight with his his tsu and ac, should be beatable under SOME circumstances by an elf with a rap and equal ac whos got a full bar of mana and knows how to use it.

October 01, 2002 07:08 pm ET (#68)

shoyo
Loyal Fan
86 posts
04-25-02

haha lucky i quit my lvl 49 mage when i found out they didnt put the mage lvl 50 bonus skill to the game haha... now they even make the lvl 52 summon weaker haha funny.... nci.. .what are they thinking..... mage lvl like... 4 times slower than knights.... and there is NO rewards after you spend all those time on them.... they lvl slow, they hunt weak, when involve magic even elfs are stronger than mage... their summons are weak and useless..... they have weak ac.... haha nci is so stupid..
by the way, don't you think ske guard is better than kbb? i mean i used kbb before and the only good thing they can do is when i summon then in swl log off and use a knight to lusre them into a group of bk and let ppl fb the bk and tele then the kbb will be after the oher.... that's the ony good think i think kbb can do :D

o yeah almost forgot.. nci will stop mages use para or blind soon ... very soon unless you want to be red :D and did i even mention nci completely take out mana staff in the game? i wonder how would a newbie start a newq mage without som? and soon even using erup will cost you couple k of honor.. just wait and see... strongly doesn't hope lineage2 will be as screw as lineage1

October 01, 2002 09:11 pm ET (#69)

NoLuCK
Loyal Fan
76 posts
03-21-02

Let me drop some wisdom..

To level you need to have a powerful physical attack. For elves this would be using a bow. For mages, princes, and knights this is most likely a melee weapon.

Because mages and princes need to use a melee attack to level up they have become very very very (add 97 more verys here) hard to level (prince and mage get the most penalties for trying to fight - ie AC nerf, and hit ability nerf). Knights and elves get inherantly better at their types of leveling (damage and hit bonuses to their main type of attac every 5 or 10 levels).

Now, saw we reach level 52 with a mage.. will it change how we have to level? No, it will still suck. There is no morph that makes you take less damage or hit better. Not gunna happen..

I would like to further illustrate the point that mages now suck. A level 48+ mage has difficulty hitting ifrit every time (This mage is 20str,12dex,18con base stat using +7sof, pg, str ammy). However, when I started to play my knight the other day I first ran into ifrit at level 36. I had no difficulty ending him and I did not see any missing. If i fought my lev 48+ mage vs. my lev 4x knight - the knight would easily win - not even worth the fight. (Prior to the mage nerf my mage manhandled knights)

Recap:
1. A mage *can* hit really hard with melee. However, this attack is useless if you cant hit anything.
2. A mage using bow sucks. (I tried using bow as alternative way to level - not worth the time)
3. A mage cannot level using magic. Once you hit level 45 your days of using only magic to level are over. Leveling becomes to slow to be any fun.

Mage is still a great class to play. You can have lots of fun in sieges with the 'big-hurt-a-lot-of-people' spells.. Just don't expect to ever be able to level fast or compete with knights or elves.. Those days are gone :/

NoLuCK

October 01, 2002 10:07 pm ET (#70)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

shoyo i think kbb are much better than skel guards... skel guards seem to end a lot faster than kbb and kbb are really fast hitters...

October 01, 2002 11:18 pm ET (#71)

shoyo
Loyal Fan
86 posts
04-25-02

they are stronger? donno... cos when the kbb summon come out i can't summon ske guard anymore cos i was already lvl 49 at that time... 49.42.... i was goin to lvl to 50 until i found out everyone can make spell scroll and the exp/spawn rate drop thingy so i quit.... lineage 1 sux...there are 4 classes but only knight/elf are worth to lvl .....

o yeah amer... dont you think you didn't update e.0 comic for a while? the mage tame the doggie already :D will be nice to read it in jpeg

October 01, 2002 11:59 pm ET (#72)

Tornado
Loyal Fan
43 posts
09-08-02

Lineage Got Boring After They Messed Up OT Totems and Stuff

October 02, 2002 02:31 am ET (#73)

Cody
Loyal Fan
510 posts
09-10-02

NC Rip Off!

October 03, 2002 01:19 am ET (#74)

TeronElf
Loyal Fan
185 posts
09-21-02

They'll change change that. That's not "legal".

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