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July 29, 2002 03:43 pm ET - research by amateras
Sayha's Bow change details
Lineage Playforum reports (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051004&kid=2051) about an elf on the Korean Test server, Utaka, who actually has constructed a +7 Sayha's Bow and is able to comment on the damage.

As a recap, before the Sayha's Bow change reported last week, the magic arrows on the +7 bow were doing 8-15 damage. With arrows damage was ranging between 15-25. In addition, the wind arrows were behaving as weapons and not magic, that is, you can still completely miss your target with them.

The update is +2 to hit, +4 damage, making it easily more powerful than the yumi. Tests indicated that the damage was around 20 both with and without arrows. With full enchants, the damage sometimes exceeded 30. This is easily the most powerful elven weapon.

July 29, 2002 03:46 pm ET (#1)
Doomscythe
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1155 posts
03-21-02

Ooooo.... +2 hit and +4 damage ! 1st post

July 29, 2002 03:46 pm ET (#2)
Doomscythe
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1155 posts
03-21-02

Thats amazing o.o I like...

July 29, 2002 03:50 pm ET (#3)
wingzerohero
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109 posts
03-06-02

still not sure if the price of it is worth the damage...
Maybe +6 to damage and +5 to hit... then those knights may think twice bout running at a bow elf...

July 29, 2002 03:51 pm ET (#4)
xFaBx
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15 posts
06-30-02

w00t found my new elf weap... now to only get it.. O.o

July 29, 2002 03:53 pm ET (#5)
EoLight
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82 posts
07-03-02

yay...finally MUCH better then yumi,,

(as stated in earier post" sayha bow would be MUCH better then yumi if it had damage bonus")

Yumi - tsu? Sayha to Dragon Slayer?

what do u think?

July 29, 2002 03:58 pm ET (#6)
FlaRrRr
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103 posts
06-06-02

how u get a white dragon scale? huh? huh?

July 29, 2002 03:59 pm ET (#7)
PeNTeL
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299 posts
12-11-01

yumi is too cheap compared to a tsu.

cray's test not even in game anymore so ds is worth more than sayha.

July 29, 2002 03:59 pm ET (#8)
GarbageMan
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46 posts
06-11-02

Of course the price is worth the dmg. 30 dmg per hit is a lot. Thats like a +7 tsu. Not to mention that this is comming from a ranged attack. Looks like elves will finally be able to pull off quick pk kills. If this bow is as good as it sounds, then i believe it is worth every penny or adena.

July 29, 2002 03:59 pm ET (#9)
EX-CON
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597 posts
03-19-02

well u cant compare d/s's dmg but its 2 handed i say yumi-rap/kat of a str knight but i think +7yumi hurts like +8rap sayah is now better than tsu weigh 30
tsu 150 i think with tsu u gotta switch to rap for undead and kat for big mops
while with yumi or this u dont gottta change which i find better less confusing
i knew its was worth making and as i sad in the last news thing u can get white scales in the ice cavern or ivorytower iam gonan go check to c if iam right.

Ghost 4 Eva

umm actually i think yumi can compare to tsu but sayha bow rules tsu!

July 29, 2002 04:12 pm ET (#10)
EoLight
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82 posts
07-03-02

cant really tell whats better until u put a elf(yumi/sayha) againts a knight(tsu/ds) in a pk match, something like how fast they can kill someone or something.
I would still think that knight will beat an elf in a 1 on 1 duel in combat zone(no spells no pots no running)

but i might lean toward the elf in other situations(to bad u cant do that on some servers)

July 29, 2002 04:23 pm ET (#11)
QuickShadow_
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173 posts
02-05-02

"This is easily the most powerful elven weapon"

... as it is supposed to be! Now us mages need our uber weapon, our saycha, our tsu!! :)

(nah SOF is owned by everyone)

July 29, 2002 04:26 pm ET (#12)
Mike
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18 posts
05-05-02

How'd Utaka make the Sayha's Bow? I thought one of the requirements was 15 white dragon scale...how'd he get those???? Amer...help me out here!

July 29, 2002 05:04 pm ET (#13)
ruben
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355 posts
10-07-01

the white scales spawn in some places, like the other scales

July 29, 2002 05:21 pm ET (#14)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

Man just think. If someone had that bow and!!had mith arrows the damage would just be sick. Right now with a +7yumi and mith arrows i am doing about 30-33dmage tested on a lvl 47 con knight. Now just imagine it on the sayha's bow o.o

July 29, 2002 05:34 pm ET (#15)
DemonGeist
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69 posts
03-22-02

they spawn (randomly right?), you pick them up. they've told us scales would spawn like this earlier

July 29, 2002 06:12 pm ET (#16)
ultimaslayer
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221 posts
06-24-02

-_- how many ppl on us servers can get sayha's bow....

July 29, 2002 06:19 pm ET (#17)
Scaleb
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224 posts
10-24-01

Cool, now it's actually worth the 30mil it costs to make ;)

July 29, 2002 06:27 pm ET (#18)
xLondonBroilx
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200 posts
10-02-01

Don't mind me. Just postin to see how long I've been with LC :)

July 29, 2002 06:28 pm ET (#19)
xLondonBroilx
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200 posts
10-02-01

HAHA, oldest one in this thread :P

July 29, 2002 06:36 pm ET (#20)
Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

wow 30m o.o !! this bow is a dream for newbie elf.... and for strong elf too t.t

July 29, 2002 06:37 pm ET (#21)
GovernMent
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137 posts
04-30-02

I think it'll be not too hard for the hardcore boss campers to wait for dragon scales to show up

July 29, 2002 06:44 pm ET (#22)
Yeildarb
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179 posts
01-19-02

Dragon scales will spawn randomly anywhere in Aden, not the same few spots every time..

July 29, 2002 06:56 pm ET (#23)
XCollicoX
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131 posts
04-20-02

I think they should make the wind arrows like magic, it should NEVER miss. It should do less damage than arrows though. I'm still a little unsure if I should get this yet...I mean 10 white dragon scales...Wind Tears...Griffon Feathers...and much more...hmmmmm...I just don't know.

July 29, 2002 07:22 pm ET (#24)
UltraCoolElf
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105 posts
02-19-02

sayha's bow = more than b-tsu o.O
when ds the sword ranks is gonna change from b-tsu, tsu, rap/bkat
to: ds, b-tsu, tsu o.o
elves would just be sayha's bow, yumi, hunterbow/xbow

July 29, 2002 07:23 pm ET (#25)
UltraCoolElf
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105 posts
02-19-02

make raeal arrows never miss

July 29, 2002 07:52 pm ET (#26)
Tran
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140 posts
06-25-02

newb elf gets this bow lag dies...i see on ground i pick up now chance has the sayha bow o_O...

July 29, 2002 08:02 pm ET (#27)
duncan3
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56 posts
01-09-02

Still, the TSU costs about 2.5M to make, and the ingredients are at least semi-common. The Sayha will run about 30M++ and the ingredients are all beyond rare on mobs that arent easy to find.

So scales just are on the ground anywhere on the server? Just dumb luck like the sneaky foxes were? And here I was sneaking around the dragon lairs.

What do they look like anyway, because if you set something down in the ice zone you cant see it - it's under the snow, so if a scale was there noone would know. Other places have this same "feature".

July 29, 2002 09:09 pm ET (#28)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

T.T i want that bow =[

July 29, 2002 10:54 pm ET (#29)
Jasuda
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26 posts
03-13-02

Nice here's hoping I stumble on some of those dragon scales

July 29, 2002 11:34 pm ET (#30)
K-ZS-M
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925 posts
05-04-02

considering....
most ppl won't make a sayha bow unless we r able to get the bow easily....
white scales, feathers, tears....
scales is nowhere to be found yet...til ep 12 probably...plus u need 15 of them...
feathers r not that common of a drop from griffon...
tears.....what the heck drops it....?
these r much more difficult components to get compared to like getting materials for tsu.....basically like gathering stuff for a DSM but maybe even harder....

I think the bow should be much stronger so it is worth the struggle to get it....
possibly stronger than tsu....exceeding 40+ damage will be definitely worth it...
elves won't be complaining anymore.......or the one elf that actually gets it..

who knows...NC is always full of surprises for more ppl to bitch about.....

July 29, 2002 11:37 pm ET (#31)
K-ZS-M
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925 posts
05-04-02

oops.....

accidently refreshed....

and double posted....>_<

July 30, 2002 12:09 am ET (#32)
Spyder
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148 posts
12-04-01

oooo, looks nice, and same dmg with and without arrows? y bother bringing arrows O.o i think they have sum more testing to do...
gonna be reallllly hard to make tho, and i dunno if it really beats b-tsu cuz knights get a sheild with btsu O.o

July 30, 2002 12:23 am ET (#33)
XCollicoX
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131 posts
04-20-02

I think this would be worth it, IF it didn't cost so much! Even on the TEST server it'd be almost impossible to get! And the drops on the live servers...eh...not worth it.

July 30, 2002 01:26 am ET (#34)
Mike
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18 posts
05-05-02

Dragon scales don't spawn randomly throughout Aden...they only spawn around dragon lair..for example...if u want to find green dragon scale..u have to go to dvc 7f and find it...u can't find a green dragon scale in a desert or anywhere else...so therefore..the wind dragon called Lindvior must have its own lair which is not even in the game yet...so how'd Utaka make it?!

July 30, 2002 01:29 am ET (#35)
Mike
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18 posts
05-05-02

Ramza...how can a +7Yumi with mith arrows do 30-33dmg? that's bull...a +7 bow can do that much dmg? lol..u dreamin or something?

July 30, 2002 01:34 am ET (#36)
Mike
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18 posts
05-05-02

+7 Sayha's Bow: 4+7/4+7 +4Dmg exceeds up to 30dmg per hit
+7 Yumi: 3+7/3+7 +3Dmg does 30-33?
does it make sense?

July 30, 2002 01:41 am ET (#37)
IRA
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73 posts
07-07-02

i hope some day my mage is able to learn -meteor strike- spell Y_Y
abot the bow, really great about the magic arrows it *HAS* to be best elven weapon no doubt but about dueling knight.. i say first see then believe.

and probably ramza tested +7 yumi damage in a lvl5, +9ac newbie who lied to ramza about his lvl haha. thats why it made 30 dmg lol
(if that was the damage made by a +7 yummi why would ppl even play knight)

i know ramza is trying to defend his favorite class but is not nessesary to lie to make elves look better, it's impposible that a +7 yummi make 30-33 damage on a lvl 47 good ac knight.

some times i dream about stuff that happend in lineage and i wake up thinking they're true, maybe that was what happend and all this is a missunderstanding kakaka

July 30, 2002 02:22 am ET (#38)
FlyZ
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791 posts
11-11-01

Ingredients are rare and not many people would get a hand on one of these. People who would have it would be pretty much unstoppable o.o

July 30, 2002 03:34 am ET (#39)
Cwata
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51 posts
07-04-02

Stop complaining, NCsoft doesn't have to put it in. They putting it in for something for the elves to strive for. And someone said earlier it's not as good as b-tsu because you cna't have a sheild, but forgets that tsu you can't hit things in corner of screen, and you have to get hit no matter what using tsu with mops.

Oh and second. You guys keep complaining that knights are better in pvp. They are suppose to be. Each class is strong at something, elves have some advantages with hunting that knights don't have.

July 30, 2002 03:51 am ET (#40)
Blahk
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234 posts
02-02-02

When did this 'LCer since' thing come? I like it!!

July 30, 2002 04:11 am ET (#41)
PeNTeL
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299 posts
12-11-01

im so bored.......both priston tale and ragnarok servers are down =.=

July 30, 2002 04:41 am ET (#42)
DrowElf
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76 posts
01-16-02

Man, that would be sweet...

Well, one day maybe. :-)

July 30, 2002 05:22 am ET (#43)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

i was tesing the damage on a knight he said 30hp damage on i belive -49ac i was fully spelled up. Either he lied..wich i doubt or ghe may of misreadif i am wrong i am sorry for the miss info if i am not then thats cool..=\

July 30, 2002 07:06 am ET (#44)
lechtung
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19 posts
01-11-02

White dragon scales can be found in all Elver Forest.

About the bow (and other weapons) there is something that i dont understand.
The bow has 4 base damage, +2 hit bonus and +4 damage bonus, if the bow do 4+enchants+4 damage, why not put that the bow has 8 base damage directly? is like to say that the bow has 1 base damage and +7 damage bonus.

I suspose that the base damage and enchants is using to see if the arrow can hit the objetive, and then, add +4 to the damage total, but im not sure of that. Someone has the awnser?

July 30, 2002 07:11 am ET (#45)
RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

Don't white dragon scales fall off around the place the dragon spawns?

I know I saw it somewhere....

Maybe it was just a dream. >.<

I once had a dream that NC whould make new classes. Why must I wake up from paradise?! t.t

Did Dragon Slayer Quest ever work?

One more thing. The bow, ok its strong. Chould be better? Maybe. BUT ISNT IT TIME THE EVA SHILD IS MADE USEFULL!!!

July 30, 2002 09:21 am ET (#46)
oblivion1981
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22 posts
05-16-02

wow looks not bad

was wondering why it was so weak when it would cost so much

July 30, 2002 09:33 am ET (#47)
akira
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23 posts
06-19-02

-.-
screen shots of
+11 b-sayha's bow
+7 b-dk set and b-demon sets on lineage3d.com -.-

July 30, 2002 12:50 pm ET (#48)
Dekster
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23 posts
05-31-02

I can semi-support Razma's damage claims. I tested my +7 Yumi on a high level elf with good ac. With regular arrows I was doing 28 damage per hit fairly often. With mith arrows, I could have been doing over 30. I am a lvl 47 Wind Elf and was using the DEX and Wind Shot spells.
I have not done any tests against a knight, so I cannot confirm or dispute any damage done to them.

July 30, 2002 01:03 pm ET (#49)
Blaatje
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89 posts
10-26-01

hmm ya i wonder how short ive been here

July 30, 2002 01:44 pm ET (#50)
Doomscythe
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1155 posts
03-21-02

Mike i heard that Lindvior flys around Aden pillaging villages o.o and he doesn't have a Lair... Well thats what my friend told me and he is korean... but he might have been lying

July 30, 2002 01:48 pm ET (#51)
RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

When will we get hell! I want to go to hell! I miss my home >.<

July 30, 2002 02:37 pm ET (#52)
Xer
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9 posts
01-28-02

great update

July 30, 2002 06:07 pm ET (#53)
aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

About damn time!

July 30, 2002 08:27 pm ET (#54)
Fafurion
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25 posts
10-11-01

Cool, NCI bring back DS!!

July 31, 2002 12:49 pm ET (#55)
Aegir
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7 posts
11-08-01

Great update

July 31, 2002 11:56 pm ET (#56)
BitemyBallz
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4 posts
04-30-02

To Lechtung:

About the bow (and other weapons) there is something that i dont understand.
The bow has 4 base damage, +2 hit bonus and +4 damage bonus, if the bow do 4+enchants+4 damage, why not put that the bow has 8 base damage directly? is like to say that the bow has 1 base damage and +7 damage bonus

it's bcuz when u hit sum1 w/ a weapon, it doesn't always do the maximum dmg. the 4/4 means it can do btween 1-4 and whatever that roll is add in the +4 dmg afterwards. or that what i think

July 31, 2002 11:57 pm ET (#57)
BitemyBallz
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4 posts
04-30-02

o, and i once dreamed that sum1 was quitting and gave me 3 B-TSU's

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