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June 05, 2002 07:29 pm ET - research by NC - US

Publish Announcement

During this week’s server publish, a change that was scheduled to be released with Episode 11 was activated. This change is a bug fix to bows resolving an issue where STR bonus was being incorrectly calculated and applied.

Because this change was a future scheduled bug fix, we are going to leave the change active. We apologize for the premature addition of this change without announcement.

June 05, 2002 07:31 pm ET (#1)

Scorpion
Loyal Fan
12 posts
04-12-02

Still not all on episode 11.... hopefully it will be soon..

Yes first post... first time for first post.

June 05, 2002 07:34 pm ET (#2)

ImYurHuklBry
Loyal Fan
119 posts
11-16-01

so how exactly will str affect bow damage now?

June 05, 2002 07:35 pm ET (#3)

zinnestro
Loyal Fan
63 posts
05-01-02

Got question is Doom Blade coming to US or Korea????

June 05, 2002 07:38 pm ET (#4)

duncan3
Loyal Fan
56 posts
01-09-02

Well, since there will be no DRAGONS to get the ingredients for the new elf BOW, who cares?

June 05, 2002 07:45 pm ET (#5)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Are elves being nerfed??? They hit for 15-18 damage with a +6 yumi, and a lot of it is swallowed by ER and AC, and other classes are capable of MUCH more damage. Why nerf elves? Leave the str effect on bows!! What will an elf put their points in after level 50? Dex damage increase is capped at 18! str USED to increase damage, but now it's nerfed!
Sorry people but I'm really upset about this.

June 05, 2002 07:52 pm ET (#6)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Elbryan - According to Melantus, DEX affects damage when DEX>15 and there is no cap.

zinnestro - No never, it's too powerful. Just a toy for admins. :)

June 05, 2002 07:57 pm ET (#7)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Amer - I've been doing tests ever since I hit level 48 (a month before fire valley).
Elves hit MUCH weaker now. I did a test last week, and one today after I heard the news from friends in-game. The damage is less by about 3-4 points a hit (from str+dex before to str+dex now).
If I have to kill Lindvior a few months from now to make a bow that will give me the same damage as a Yumi gave me 2 months ago, it's a huge step back IMO.

June 05, 2002 08:02 pm ET (#8)

tv043
Loyal Fan
10 posts
02-10-02

HAHAHA........HA dang im glad i never started an elf. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH.....HA HA HA

June 05, 2002 08:10 pm ET (#9)

ElvenHawk
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-28-02

Heh you won't be laughing when you get you ass wasted by a elf and their new elemental magic...

June 05, 2002 08:18 pm ET (#10)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Elbryan: Melantus said that the change was that they removed STR as a factor in bow damage, so the weaker hit is probably because your strength doesn't matter any more. :(

June 05, 2002 08:30 pm ET (#11)

Melantus
NC Staff
6 posts
12-04-01

It matters in melee damage for the bow however (when arrows aren't used), such as non-archer morph.

June 05, 2002 08:31 pm ET (#12)

DarkArmada
Loyal Fan
56 posts
01-25-02

ElvenHawk on 6/5/2002 5:10:17 PM [#9]
Heh you won't be laughing when you get you ass wasted by a elf and their new elemental magic...
hehehehe lol elfs can wish they will be a buff class but in the end it is mages and knights, mages and knights...
----->check out www.shadowbane.com<----------

June 05, 2002 09:21 pm ET (#13)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

unlike knights
elf is nerf-ed
mage is nerf-ed
prince/ss is "handicapped"

stop complaining since all but knights r nerf-ed or handicapped...- -"..
that's the way nc make lineage characters to be

-to balance elves, make the "wafer" not only increase bow attack speed but also increase sword attack speed just like "bravery" increase BOTH...- -"..and easier to get like braveries...come on...punching a poor ent for like 10min to get a stinky fruit...and then make the wafer that only last 5min...while knights can buy from town, get from monsters...>,<

-to balance mages, make all lv 1 - 6 spells as common as adena but then lv 7 to 10 NOT getting taken out but drop by normal strengh bosses at a daily "most likely to drop" basis

-to balance prince/ss, well.....they need good armor weapon even some specialized potions to increase their fighting abilities so they can lv, and em..charisma aint doing anything except getting dogs out and recruiting members...come on...make charisma a special pt that contribute to some fighting/lv-ing stat in combat too...

June 05, 2002 09:40 pm ET (#14)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

hehehe........
So what you gonna do with 18 chr? Bring 3 dobs and let it eat all your exp? Have a hunting party when you're lvl 49 and you get absolutely no exp?
How intresting.....

June 05, 2002 10:25 pm ET (#15)

Sohl
Loyal Fan
11 posts
04-30-02

Mark my words...everyone is going ga-ga over the new elf spells now, but once the dust has settled and we now how they actually work, I can guarantee that most elves will be right back complaining about the same issues they are now...low damage and low/slow mp regen.

The bonuses the spells will give are likely only going to even out the damage drop elves just got. And we'll need more mp to cast these spells on top of what we already cast...

June 05, 2002 10:27 pm ET (#16)

computerguy
Loyal Fan
113 posts
01-09-02

Simple thing i got 2 say im happy the elves are gettin screwed with tat new crap (please exuse my language)of elemental magics along with normal magis im glad they are gettin some downside. So yes im complaining that NC is really stupid with all their balancing stuff the actaully "unbalance" the game so I really think they should just stop trying to balance all the korean stuff before u put it in game. Koreans know best :). But NC really need to help mages and the prince(ss) i say give the prince(ss) some really specialized armor that gives like amazing ac or just reduces damage taken by castel gaurds or something. Then give em like something called King's sword that does major damage to gaurds for seiges and then give em somthing like dobs give em all exp like if u kill a bb the dos give u all 100% but then they each get like 20% extra to them or sowthing NC but NC also gotta give mages stuff give us all spells and take away the elves abilities to use normal magics casue they already will kill us. And then give mages nother set. Like mabey Nercromancers set or dark elder set soemthing that increases spell damage like by giving another 10% of the mdamage given. And if NC tries to make knight aymore fair I will go to oren when it coems and buy create mop wands and flood the newbie areas with mops and NC this will cause u to no longer get any newbies to start playing since they always die and sadly u cant and shouldnt interfeare with the game since it not any kind of hacking o illegal stuff its just playing the game hehehehehe>:)

June 05, 2002 10:48 pm ET (#17)

lol123
Loyal Fan
90 posts
03-12-02

Does str affect the damage for a knight..Meaning am I hitting harder as i add more str.

June 05, 2002 10:53 pm ET (#18)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

computerguy shut up and play more classes -.- i have played all and i am reall angry about the new publish they are going to put in. It is a bunch of crap -.-

June 05, 2002 10:57 pm ET (#19)

Sohl
Loyal Fan
11 posts
04-30-02

lol123 -- yes I believe knights get +1 for each 2 str added

Ramza -- it's not an upcoming publish. It was put into affect already with the last patch.

June 05, 2002 11:15 pm ET (#20)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

o..
hm ok but im sitll pissed bout it

June 05, 2002 11:51 pm ET (#21)

puntangpi
Loyal Fan
9 posts
06-05-02

LETS GO PunTangPi LETS GO!!!!! PunTangPi WILL WIN THE SOCCER CUP!!!!

June 06, 2002 12:02 am ET (#22)

Sunrise
Loyal Fan
30 posts
06-05-02

T_T stop complaining!!!! I've played all the classes too, and I think it is pretty fair as it is. Each class should be different and have different fortes... If every class was good at everything, then that'd get pretty boring pretty fast. What NC should do is stop trying to balance everything so perfectly and specialize each character more. What's the point of making different classes if they can all do the same stuff -- why doesn't NC just make one class then >.<;;

June 06, 2002 12:30 am ET (#23)

SonShadowCat
Loyal Fan
98 posts
02-02-02

plz keep in mind thats its NCI that is screwing us over by messing with the korean source code

June 06, 2002 12:38 am ET (#24)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

And you're saying prince/ss are good at something?
recruiting a huge pledge and become 'handicapped'?
What'll 36 members do you good? give you exp when you kill them?
18 chr princess are almost impossible to play and the only viable ones are str or con with low chr. What'll that get you to? Don't even say they're fair.

June 06, 2002 12:39 am ET (#25)

Legolas4
Loyal Fan
127 posts
05-31-02

Well, now elves and prince/sses are the weakest characters in game. This hurts all kinds of elves be it dex/con/str/balanced. I did some testing with dex/str elves last night and we all did roughly the same amount of damage. That is rather sad. A dex elf should tear a str elf apart in a bow duel, but a str elf should tear a dex elf apart in a sword duel or sword (str)/bow (dex) duel. Now it is all screwed up, I am kind of glad that I retired my dex elf for a while and started on my str/con mage. I hope NC removes this "update" soon. The new episode will help the elf class, but the bow (yumi as example) should have a base damage be it ranged or melee. That would counteract this str not effecting a bow's ranged damage. NC, stop babying the knights, and help the other classes out specifically elves and prince/sses. Mages will rule after episode 11 due to the fact that "all" the spells will be in place, so mages stop whining, you are gonna get your way very soon. Finally, yes I do have a knight, but he is pretty worthless, since he uses all my cash >.<.

June 06, 2002 01:05 am ET (#27)

SonShadowCat
Loyal Fan
98 posts
02-02-02

wth?

I just thought of something, why does nci has a schedule for fixing bugs? why not just fix them as soon as possible and make us happy instead of making us mad and quit( which gives you less money)?

June 06, 2002 02:11 am ET (#28)

SELain
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-06-02

Think maybe thats what happened with this update being snuck in at the last moment? Just maybe?

June 06, 2002 02:34 am ET (#29)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

AHAAAAAA!!!!! i posted at the thread where they post the maintence thing saying they have some changes made in the maintence, and oh yes!!!!! they did, they just dont say what's going to be done but then tell u once they did it so u can do nothing about it except whine and complain about it...

ba...no one listens to me...even if im right on this one~~...

June 06, 2002 08:20 am ET (#30)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

Though its no secret , I dislike the Elven folk and thier racist guardians. I am really happy that they are getting Elemental magic. We been asking for special Elf magic since I was a newbie.
Look most of the Elves , don't gain a bonus via Strength for bow anyhow. Uh Amer correct if I am wrong but I believe there is a certain attribute point needed to begin to gain a bonus to damage.
Anyhow , the Elves aren't deserving of much else other than bait. .... But I will agree they need a bow morph , one with good speed for movement and attack rate. I suggest an Imp , or Bomb Flower.

June 06, 2002 08:26 am ET (#31)

Irwin_Gamer
Loyal Fan
26 posts
05-07-02

I guess seeing how it was the elves that got screwed on this little unannounced publish there wasnt a whole lotta uproar. But, isnt anyone concerned about how much NC lies to us. Everytime there is a publish, the negative aspects are conveniently left out until noticed. Then they come back and say "oops"... no one has a problem with that?

June 06, 2002 09:34 am ET (#32)

The Shadow
Loyal Fan
16 posts
04-24-02

Lostheaven...who the heck are you? and its a game dood, how can u hate something that doesnt exist? And what exactly did u contribute by posting that? Racist Guardians???? LMAO bud..if i didnt know better, i would say the chances of you being a racist in real life are pretty darn good. On the one hand u say you hate elves, and then you turn around and say you are happy they are getting elemental magic. I fear you are terribly confused. The biggest shame is that you should be in school learning more, not playing games. Your education level shows.

June 06, 2002 10:25 am ET (#33)

computerguy
Loyal Fan
113 posts
01-09-02

I may be kinda slow but ooooooo all spells in place>:) hehehehehe. Level 40 mage + disintegrate spear + duel with knight = Knight dies pitifully hehehehehe even though i know itprobably wont insta kil em it do major damage and a mage could cast 4 times or so if it is a wis mage. I though am gettin awfully pissed with NC about their lack of sensitiveness towards prince(ss) I really hope they give em soemthing real good like dogs give u 100% exp or pledge members give u like 5% of anything they kill lol.

June 06, 2002 11:47 am ET (#34)

Schwartz
Loyal Fan
134 posts
02-08-02

I thought "Brittish" said that we were NOT ever going to get some of the spells... whenever that guy from compendium ended up at that expo/convention thing and some guy showed him lots of cool stuff in the game from his GM account or whatever.... Did this philosophy change? I'm all for getting "all the spells" I've been looking forward to soem of the lev 9/10 spells for a LONG time, but I didnt think it was going to happen. Amer?

June 06, 2002 12:04 pm ET (#35)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

More updates that we weren't made aware of first.....

June 06, 2002 01:05 pm ET (#36)

Sunrise
Loyal Fan
30 posts
06-05-02

Prince/ss are weak, but on average they shouldn't be able to kill knights o.o cuz then why bother with knights at all.. they're boring... the only thing they're good for is fighting at seiges. I have a lvl 45+ knight, but I hate playing it cuz all it is is hack and slash, for mages, after you get to lvl 40 it becomes boring too... Only kinda fun class for me right now is my elf ^^ If you upset about not doing more bow damage, switch to a sword -_-;; Your ac is gonna be crazy high anyway if u just have everything +5/7. Us elves have it good with the next update... if you guys would just stop complaining and think about your options, then maybe you'd see it.
btw... if you guys read the chat thingy, you'll notice that they work through the classes with each update. So prince/ss class will get theirs eventually... AND for knights, they're thinking of making TSU 2handed again... so really, I don't see a problem... esp since Dragon slayer quest is taken out and on dep I think there's only 2 left since one got blown up...

June 06, 2002 01:07 pm ET (#37)

SpysLikeUs
Loyal Fan
89 posts
03-04-02

As a Dex.Elf I am NOT looking forward to the new Elf Mage.
If I wanted magic, I'd play my Mage...
Opps, maybe not... cause Magic is so Nurfed!
So I'm back to using my Bow.
Any Elf magic should be for making Bow special,
like adding elemental damage, or cool things
from Diablo2 like multishot or tracking arrows.
More Magic for Elf is just a gay excuse for
not properly developing the Mage Class.
And game should Take magic away from Knights,
not give them more magic with new scrolls.

June 06, 2002 03:12 pm ET (#38)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Question to korean players - has the str effect been taken out in the korean servers or in the ep 11 servers?

June 06, 2002 06:42 pm ET (#39)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

JailRune? atdt? anyone?

June 06, 2002 11:24 pm ET (#40)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

An old knight, The Shadow, I been since beta days. I use to be active, use to hear about the elven complaints. I use to hand out lamps and candles when they blinded the Elves (took away the night vision).

June 08, 2002 12:18 am ET (#41)

Sunrise
Loyal Fan
30 posts
06-05-02

spy... if your mage is a proper intel/wis mage, magic won't be nurfed after next update cuz intel/wis mage get discount for casting spells... and with the release of almost all the higher lvl spells, being a mage might actually be fun again and not just a fast way to make money o.O And another thing... PLS don't mention diabolo... That game is BLECH! YUCK! EWWWW! lineage is way better, and even comparing them sullies lineage's name! diabolo = max 8 player game with a goal to kill a super easy boss -_-;; Lineage = MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER (!!!) game with super hard bosses. And I think in diabolo they made the amazons too strong -- they are way too annoying >.<

June 09, 2002 10:15 pm ET (#42)

Gunther
Loyal Fan
46 posts
06-07-02

LOL... go to mmorpg.com to vote in the "Unannounced Nerf Poll"

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