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February 07, 2002 10:18 pm ET - research by Melantus - NCSoft - Austin
NC - USA goes against the grain with tsurugi
Well, looks like NCSoft - Austin decided to go a different direction that the other countries by making the tsurugi a two-handed weapon. Under these circumstances, I certainly won't be making one. :(

Because of the way the playerbase currently exists, and because of gameplay balance reasons, we are going to keep the Tsurugi two handed. It's not meant to be drastically above other highly powerful weapons, but still powerful yes.

We want to keep an eye on this. It would be much easier in the future to decide after study to make it one handed again, then to change it to two handed after many players already have the weapon. One is giving the players and advantage, the other takes something away from them that they have. We'd rather would like to avoid having to take anything away if possible. By this method, we can see how things go and if we decide later to change it then we can. So far the plan is to leave it as two handed, and see how it all goes.

Melantus
Community Coordinator - Lineage
NCInteractive - Austin

February 07, 2002 10:24 pm ET (#1)
David
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25 posts
01-29-02

Making a tsurugi wasn't to hard obviously...so now they make it two handed, i thought of it as a supreme weapon wich is better then anythin else, now i rather use rapier, doesn't lower my ac.

February 07, 2002 10:27 pm ET (#2)
xLondonBroilx
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200 posts
10-02-01

Wow, a thread that doesn't start with "FIRST POST!"

February 07, 2002 10:55 pm ET (#3)
Carrington
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133 posts
10-08-01

It BLOWS that they are keeping it 2 handed, no one is going to be using it and rapier/katanas will be the better weapons. People are going to keep the 9+ ac (+6es) rather then the measly 5 damage which is gained. The reason its supposed to be 1 handed is because its supposed to be the best weapon, and currently there is no "best" weapon available, they are all really close w/ minor advantages/disadvantages.

February 07, 2002 11:20 pm ET (#4)
InToTheFire
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142 posts
11-27-01

if it cant be one handed i suggest that they make it +10 to undead like rapier then it would balence it out and it wouldnt nessicarilly make it better then rap cuz it is 2 handed

February 07, 2002 11:27 pm ET (#5)
David
Loyal Fan

25 posts
01-29-02

By the way, dragon slayer is far above the pitty level of a tsurugi, they should actived the cray's quest again.

February 07, 2002 11:37 pm ET (#6)
Murond
Loyal Fan

78 posts
02-06-02

they need to make some different types of weapons and armors that have various different advantages/disatvantage. right now, everyone is using all the same armor, same weapon. they need to ADD SOME DIVERSITY.

February 07, 2002 11:41 pm ET (#7)
Reece
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50 posts
01-14-02

Boohoo, Tsurugi is 2-handed...

Nothing has changed. I don't see the point in complaining, there wasn't even a problem with the swords until people thought something better was coming out.

February 08, 2002 12:34 am ET (#8)
watcher
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44 posts
12-11-01

So you post a third?

Stupid NCaustin. Might aswell delete my knight and make an elf with a + rapier, they'll swing faster using a wafer and be better PvP characters.

Reece, don't say nothing has changed, cuz it has. Every episode brings stronger mops and better weapons and armors are needed to keep up with these updates. The elfs got stronger with the wafer and the yumi, the mages still have summon and SoM and are getting new spells, The prince(ss) can recruit these mages/elfs, and knights stay the same. Yeah, makes allot of sense.

February 08, 2002 12:35 am ET (#9)
Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

Sturigi will kick in siege !! better than +8b2hs !!! +8sturigi will kick ass on a 20str knight ! if it was one hand OUCHHHH

February 08, 2002 12:47 am ET (#10)
BeefAssassin
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29 posts
12-29-01

Typical NCi, not caring about their customers at all!

Every other Lineage server has it 1 handed but NCi DOES THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE AND LEAVES IT 2 HANDED.

Every other Lineage server has GM's online. NCi? "NOPE! NO GM FOR YOU, WE DONT LIKE YOU ANYWAYS!!"

Every other Lineage server has monthly events. NCi? "EVENTS ARE STUPID. YOU ARE STUPID FOR WANTING ONE. WHY DONT YOU BUY 3 MORE ACCOUNTS? THEN LVL THEM UP AND MAKE YOUR OWN EVENTS!! SO WE CAN GET PAID TO DO NOTHING!!"

February 08, 2002 12:57 am ET (#11)
watcher
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44 posts
12-11-01

While very sarcastic, still very true

February 08, 2002 01:00 am ET (#12)
PeNTeL
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299 posts
12-11-01

why are the only people who complaining about tsu 2handed are the ones who will never get enough money for it?

February 08, 2002 01:09 am ET (#13)
watcher
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44 posts
12-11-01

Speak for yourself. How the hell do you know what ppl can afford? I can afford one just fine, and I'm still complaining about it being 2hs.

February 08, 2002 01:39 am ET (#14)
Reece
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50 posts
01-14-02

You must be joking when you say elf is now the best pvp character...

Wafer does practically nothing. The availability : effect ratio is waaay off on those tasty little treats...if you buy them from a player it costs an insane amount of money when compared to braves. If you choose to make them yourself, it takes entirely too much time (that you could be using to gain adena/xp) to even gather as low a number as 5 of them.

...and what happens to all that work?
Canceled by a mage, along with losing the 86 mana used for enchantments.

February 08, 2002 01:49 am ET (#15)
watcher
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44 posts
12-11-01

I'm talking about duels between high lvl (rich) knights and elfs at seiges and such. They will both wield a +8 rapier (or +8b-kat) and have the resource to use the wafers as he likes. Now I assumed it was obvious I was talking about high lvl and rich players, because the Tsurugi will only be used by such chars.

February 08, 2002 01:55 am ET (#16)
BloodLusts
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313 posts
01-26-02

isnt tsurugi only used by knights or something
or am i behind o.O

February 08, 2002 02:04 am ET (#17)
ImYurHuklBry
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119 posts
11-16-01

SWEET! Finally something from NCI USA I can agree with.

February 08, 2002 02:30 am ET (#18)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

okay, since they made tsu 2 handed and gave in to the idiots and noobs and freaks with 1/4 a brain who play in austin and work for nci and think they understand balance issues. I think they should make it impossible for mages to summon creatures inside dungeons! they are removing bookmarks. why not remove the ability of the mages to summon inside down 6 levels inside the dungeons. And then watch all the losers go nuts screaming you can't do that!. nc austin should be ashamed of themselves and all the false employees posting about 2h tsu on their official boards. They-the NCI employees posting for 2h were paid to do this to us because the higher ups told them to post against it. What a total load of crap!.

February 08, 2002 02:36 am ET (#19)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

Go play your lvl 5 mage Lem. You must be the king of understanding balance! Basing anything on the respones of people posting on the oficial msg boards is a joke, and is NOT representive of a majority of the player base. As MOST OF THEM DO NOT POST ON YOUR FREAKING MSG BOARDS! I FOR ONE DO NOT POST THERE. I remain annonymous and just read the big joke you call a msg board. It is way too infected with your employees posting the company line for me. ^^

February 08, 2002 03:22 am ET (#20)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

hmm whatever i dont care if its one handed or 2handed i woulod never be able to affored it and yes i may not have alot of high lvl sharecters but i have played for a very long just switch to much. Why is it that it seems that when NC does post somemthing and explain it u guys dont look at what is in front of your face Nc is just looking out for other players. Thats all i really see now in days is people complaing about nc if you dont like thems stop playing linage. You all sound like a bunch of 10years old who cant get there way. ><

February 08, 2002 03:56 am ET (#21)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

Even being 10 years old, I know more about lineage than they do in austin.

And doing this in the name of protecting new players is ludicrus. What is next? Make dragon scale have no elemental properties, because those people take less spell damage in sieges?

They are smoking big rocks in austin texas. And even us 10 year olds can see it!

February 08, 2002 04:02 am ET (#22)
L
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481 posts
01-16-02

it supposed to be 2 handed - . - ;
or else what's kat gonna be used for o.O?
since some knight can trade their hp for str
why can't they trade more power with ac?

February 08, 2002 04:05 am ET (#23)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

because this game is not a game like uo where all classes can pvp equally like UO. it is a different type of game, that requires teamwork and tactics. It is NOT UO with "ALL balanced" classes!. How freaking STUPID can you be!

February 08, 2002 04:10 am ET (#24)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

IronBlade read the articale again i mean really read it and think for once damn..

February 08, 2002 04:25 am ET (#25)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

I think a group of PK erruption mages all red has a better chance of disturbing newbies than a few knights with tsurgi's. All you see is 2 levels. Newbie and advanced player. There are 2 for sure. The latter can decimate any new player easily at any time currently. I see more than 2 levels of players. new/vet/advanced/etc.. I see many levels. One of which includes 1h tsu, as per tested design criteria. It's that way in 3 other countries.......

One handed is the way it was designed and susposed to be. The Nc-Stupstin paid advisors do not have advanced players. They look upon everything as a scared rabbit and everyone is out to kill them. They try and re-design a great game, that they do not understand, because they do not play it or have not played it long enough to understand balance in a big picture way. They are only focused on what ittle they know, and it makesthem look STUPID!

February 08, 2002 04:34 am ET (#26)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

they give you 3 different slots to pick different types of charactors. each one is different and when used properly has it's purpose.

I think my bb mage should not be able to summon bb's in caves now that bookmarks in caves are going away! it will give me an unfair advantage to take help along with me where knights and other classes cannot!. I can have my 6 bb summoned on 6ff fo the cave and you cant get down here with your dogs. hahaha

I went down there with my invisible spell and summoned my bb down here. hahaha


All of this is known by nc-korea! millions of people who whack on monsters just like you know about this!. You have no clue about babalnce NC-austin! your a bunch of idiots.

February 08, 2002 05:12 am ET (#27)
Lostheaven
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185 posts
10-06-01

We are not ready the tsurugi being one handed. This sword was designed for Korean style of playing, the -5x ac , it delievers near full damage on -5x ac, it can hit high lvl and very low ac. Currently the US test server is the only server that can barely withstand the Tsurugi. +5 Items , +6 Items and even the few +7 Items , we have on the Dep , would not stand a chance.
I have tested Tsurugi via friends in Korea , the results are not pretty. The US players are not , and won't be ready for Tsurugi for a while. It might be a 6 months , or more before we are ready for the Tsurugi to single handed.
Currently , the Dragon Scale will not be on US servers , until the Korean players or someone on the US Test server figure out how to kill the things. They seem to do 500+ damage on lvl 47+ Knights. I think we are going to be need lvl 60+ to beat them.
NCsoft US , did the right thing. When Amer begins to test the tsurugi on the Test Server , then you all will see how dangerous the weapon is. It doesn't matter about PVP mops , because at +6/+7 items you hit the magic point of most of the monsters in the game.
Summoners can't be summon pets or pets underwater anymore in the new update. Old bookmarks still work, even if they didn't it doesn't solve anything to make summoning not allowed in the caves and tunnels.
Right now , most of you are playing catch up to 24/7 people. Most of you won't see a +6 item in your Lineage lifetime. On Dep its nearly immpossible to catch up, some are doing it but most everyone is stuck at +5 items , and +6 weapons. Sieging is not fun on Dep , it cost too much , esspecially at higher lvls, having a single handed tsurugi would ruin sieges.
Maybe they will add a damage cap to Knights, and Elves later on. Right now the cap on Spell power , and magic damage is effecting my mage, but of course, I am wiping out 1 screen and half of another 3 in 2 blast of Blizzards.
Things are changing.

February 08, 2002 05:34 am ET (#28)
Elbryan
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180 posts
01-21-02

Good post, Lost.

February 08, 2002 06:51 am ET (#29)
LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

hmm... but i think ur wrong lost... the ratio of 5xac compared to ratio of korean servers aren't too different i guess.... only that we're so much smaller, we don't see it as often.... also i think there are many non-us players who have exceeded whatever we have knowledge about.

besides, in a siege, if there is a known player with a tsu, wouldn't we team up on him? maybe even 2 or more pledges team up on him. i mean, if i see LordFire in a siege, I'd tell everyone, "hey he's lv 49, we better team up on him" rather than go solo him ^^; if 9 knights surround him with a couple elves and erupt/healing mages nearby, the tsu user'd be dead or tp'ed, wheter tsu is 1 or 2 handed... i mean that's what siege is about, is it not?

anyways those are my thoughts. also people alwayz seem to neglect the hunting advantage and balance it also brings into play.

February 08, 2002 06:52 am ET (#30)
LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

i mean non-us as in us server player, but not us citizen or not know to the us

February 08, 2002 07:06 am ET (#31)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

I persoonally have more than enough tqd to make more than 1 tsu. I am a bb mage. We are in charge of collecting the gems from the ballisk. You don't see knights out there killing the ballisk en mass do you lost?.

Like you said lost:I am wiping out 1 screen and half of another 3 in 2 blast of Blizzards.

How hypocritical of you. I say you can wipe you those poor newbie mages who only have ebolt!. Screw you and your blizard. <-----your mentality.

I personally know 9 peope who have the necessary gems to make a tsu. And If I know 9, I know there must be at least 100 oput there who can or will have one in th e first week or two.

Screw you and your blizzard! You only get ebolt damage from it and it makes your freaking head pop off from being a hypoctite

February 08, 2002 07:17 am ET (#32)
Leonhart
Loyal Fan

9 posts
11-20-01

koreans and chinese ask for 1 hand tsurgi and what do they get? 1 hand tsurgi and loads of fireworks to celebrate...
we ask for it and get shafted.

February 08, 2002 07:20 am ET (#33)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

btw lost, leave the bb mages alone with our summon in caves! OMG! you totally missed the point.
Also, when 100 tsu's are made, think how much the other weapons will drop in price and allow all those people to upgrade weapons. Elves,princes and mages will gladly swallow up the mass of rapiers and katanna's that will be dumped into the market!!!! Did you not take economics? this is supply and demand and tricle down theory day. So many people will be able to buy their dream weapons and better their charactors if it were one handed!.

February 08, 2002 07:21 am ET (#34)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

opps didnt mean mages, meant elves princes and knights will swallow up the excess +6/7 weapons for a highy discounted rate!... this is good for the new players! It helps them tremendously

February 08, 2002 08:39 am ET (#35)
Sunrunner
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19 posts
02-08-02

It's no wonder US servers are loosing customers.. You got morons working at NC austin....
They will loose another customer next month... you can count on that...

February 08, 2002 09:07 am ET (#36)
watcher
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44 posts
12-11-01

Not ready for 1handed tsu?
1. Not everyone will have a +7 tsu or better (does everyone own a +8 rapier?)
2. kat/raps will not be useless. Lower lvl knights will still use it. And they will still be the SWORDS OF CHOICE for elfs and prince(ss).
3. I'm not gonno quit regardless if it's 1hs or 2hs, but i know of plenty of people that are really considering it, and the 2hs thing is a big reason.

Iron's making good points, if he really is 10 years old, NC should be really ashamed that a 10 year old can see this while they can't.

February 08, 2002 09:17 am ET (#37)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

the lvl 58 guy in korea uses a +8 tsu. It's the best he has. Also, there re people on dep server with -6x ac.

I will be 11 in 2 months!!!! ^^

February 08, 2002 09:34 am ET (#38)
watcher
Loyal Fan

44 posts
12-11-01

Not ready for 1handed tsu?
1. Not everyone will have a +7 tsu or better (does everyone own a +8 rapier?)
2. kat/raps will not be useless. Lower lvl knights will still use it. And they will still be the SWORDS OF CHOICE for elfs and prince(ss).
3. I'm not gonno quit regardless if it's 1hs or 2hs, but i know of plenty of people that are really considering it, and the 2hs thing is a big reason.

Iron's making good points, if he really is 10 years old, NC should be really ashamed that a 10 year old can see this while they can't.

February 08, 2002 09:42 am ET (#39)
Underlord
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78 posts
12-03-01

Did you need an insane amount of mithrill too to make the tsu?
Anyway just the price of all those gems you need is over 3 mil, so only people that might be able to get it are those who can afford +8 weapons today..

February 08, 2002 09:56 am ET (#40)
watcher
Loyal Fan

44 posts
12-11-01

I'm guessing a +7 tsurugi will cost the same as a +8 rapier..5 to 6 million. That's if the t-q-d + t-q-s + mith prices don't go up. b-dai should stay same price.

February 08, 2002 10:06 am ET (#41)
Lostheaven
Loyal Fan

185 posts
10-06-01

As I said , the tsurugi is design for -5x ac , and can hit high level players. What ever one doesn't know is the stun lock effects of the tsurugi on lower lvl players. When I was on the Test Server, before the wipe , I dropped my ac down to -47 ac , still missing +5 items. In a siege , I could easily wade through , and hack up most of the knights and mages (and elves) with just oranges.
After -40 ac , its icey on the cake, at lvl 40 , everyone below 35 (38 mage/32 Elf with bow/ 36 Elf with sword) would miss me. On top on that fully enchanted, even using Blessed Armor spell from a friend with a mage , I could using 100 oranges per 20 players. When the players caught up with me, (because I took a week and half off) , most of them had -50 ac , or better. All of them where higher lvl.
Anyhow to make a long story short , the emass groups of sieges can easily be aside with clears. Most players on Dep who will be using tsurugi will have that kinda of money. The +2 to Hit % is a big a deal , it allows you to nearly always hit whatever you are targeting. Sad thing is Archers and Mages and Princes can be frozen (stun lock) , low lvl players can stun locked. Now say you had all those with -55 ac , or better. At -50 ac , tsurugi will do 14, 15 or 16+ whatever its dai to. Unlike a rapier which would 5 to 9, 10, 11+ whatever its dai to, if it hit the -50 ac , the damage would be reduced by roughly 20% , Tsurugi would reduced by 5% (roughly I think its less). Now the Kat? Kat is worthless in PVP , when the original Devil had a +9 Kat , it still managed to roll 10s , and lower (8s, 7s).
Even at -55 ac , a tsurugi will do its near max damage, a Rapier is reduced by 10% every 5 after 40. On top of that , you have to be close in lvl with players to hit. 37, 38, 39, 40 lvl knights will have 1 in 3 chance to hit a lvl 45 knight.
Magic on the other hand is nerfed , differently from weapons. It has a cap in the damage rolls , and vs higher lvl players , even knights with Base MR , it will do limited damage.
Next update , they are going to uncap the magic lvls, then you are going to see some hellish damage and attacks. But the US server won't get uncapped. Because we aren't ready for it. They are going to leave us capped until 12, then we should be ready for the uncapped version of Lineage.
Most of the players quiting Lineage , right now are doing so because its immpossible to keep up 24/7 players. Most of the things that happening right are due to NCsoft's policy of allowing Internet Cafes. Wait until South America comes , or the UK , or one of those countries that can rival the "nothing but net" that the Korean players seem to have.
As I told Mel ages ago, US play style and Korean play style are vastly different.

February 08, 2002 10:16 am ET (#42)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

hey lost I like your statement! :They are going to leave us capped until 12, then we should be ready for the uncapped version of Lineage.


Can I take that as verifiable proof of their intentions? Is that the inside scoop? Wow, glad you told us, what they plan to do... Seems like that makes the statement mel says about "seeing how it goes" a total baldface lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

February 08, 2002 10:18 am ET (#43)
David
Loyal Fan

25 posts
01-29-02

Yeah, i geuss that's right....but what if NC isn't gonna uncap Lineage ever?
I mean, they can do whatever they want, if they like it the way it is and if we all setlle with it they won't change anything I guess. And that's what I'm afraid of, that they never change it back cause they're scared for those and probably like it the way it will be...

February 08, 2002 10:19 am ET (#44)
David
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25 posts
01-29-02

Yeah, i geuss that's right....but what if NC isn't gonna uncap Lineage ever?
I mean, they can do whatever they want, if they like it the way it is and if we all setlle with it they won't change anything I guess. And that's what I'm afraid of, that they never change it back cause they're scared for those and probably like it the way it will be...

February 08, 2002 10:19 am ET (#45)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

Hey Melvinlantous LOST told us your secret plans! to leave us capped!. We now know your secret plan!

February 08, 2002 10:20 am ET (#46)
David
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25 posts
01-29-02

??? **** double post...i only clicked once...sorry anyway

February 08, 2002 10:48 am ET (#47)
BoneSpirit
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19 posts
01-28-02

2handed?!?!? OMG1 o.0

February 08, 2002 02:04 pm ET (#48)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

I'm not whinning. I'm trying to explain my reasoning. I'm very happy. I just made a ton of cash with my bb. I'm very happy. I'm not planning on quitting.


So please don't whine about my opinion. <----hahaha joke

February 08, 2002 02:51 pm ET (#49)
CorBluewolf
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12 posts
01-06-02

Two handed eh? This makes me happy. i am one of the few that rarely uses a shield so this is good for me. I've build my armor up so that i can use weapons like this. So i am happy to see something for ppl that don't use shields come into the game.

February 08, 2002 03:50 pm ET (#50)
overkill
Loyal Fan

15 posts
01-24-02

Well i only read half the posts because i was sick of ironblade posting AFTER EVERY F***ING ONE!! christ. anyway, I think Tsurugi should be 1hs considering a) its 16/10.. Kat is 10/12 which still makes kat better for large mop, and rap is still better for undead and stuff in dv, +7 rap vs +7 tsurugi on undead, rap will win, +7 kat vs +7 tsurugi on ettin, kat will win.

only thing tsurugi is good for is siegeing, and thats what it was put in the game for, most of the high lvl rich players that are burning money in sieges, because its fun, i mean, your going to lose -9 ~ -10 ac with 2h tsurugi, so that means they will burn 2x the pots to do slightly more dmg, i would rather use +8 rap then a +6 2hs tsurugi. and i will make a tsurugi and be waiting for the day (which will never come) for NC AUSTIN to make tsu 1hs. good day.

February 08, 2002 03:55 pm ET (#51)
overkill
Loyal Fan

15 posts
01-24-02

let me add, only thing a ONE HAND TSURUGI is good for is sieging :)
TWO HAND TSURUGI is worthless all around.

February 08, 2002 04:14 pm ET (#52)
Nicademus
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40 posts
12-05-01

I think that everyone is whining too much. Nobody bothered to read the second half of the post. NC IS RIGHT. It will be much easier for them to change it to one-handed later if they want to. I think people are whining too much now... imagine if they came out with it 1h, and then changed it to 2h later on.

o.O

NC is right. and Lost is right. US servers arent ready for 1h Tsurugi.

February 08, 2002 04:19 pm ET (#53)
overkill
Loyal Fan

15 posts
01-24-02

heh, ok so if us servers arent ready for 1h tsu, why put it in the game? its a pointless weapon to have if its 2 handed, there is absoulutely NO use for it, but of course knowing NC, they WONT change it later, because they always go against the grain, they never do what the consumers WANT, they do what THEY want and then WONDER why they have NO customer base in the US!

February 08, 2002 04:22 pm ET (#54)
hannibaln3
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3 posts
01-13-02

May i say we may be losing customers but we are lucky compared to NC HK... remember there n-zels nd n-dai's can fail doing +0 to items...... and other things which i typically forgot

February 08, 2002 04:32 pm ET (#55)
overkill
Loyal Fan

15 posts
01-24-02

uhm, yes, over there zels and dais have a chance to go +0.. and your point..?
i dont understand how this makes us lucky.. i think NC austin should use what brain they have (im sure they have one in there, somewhere..) and listen to the fan base, and not what they think.

February 08, 2002 04:50 pm ET (#56)
Klesko
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3 posts
11-30-01

Again NCAustin has to go aqainst there Corporate brothers. Its a 1 Handed Weapon everywhere else. And to add that it takes ori to make not metal. Yet there not gonna change that either. Now i just don't feel like paying for this game anymore. Since they do not want to listen to there paying customers.
Well its time to move on. Destre

February 08, 2002 04:55 pm ET (#57)
Dein
Loyal Fan

77 posts
02-08-02

Hello everyone.

I'll post my 2c here

I was silenced early on into the tsu discussion. I was given a 24 temp ban, you can go to Tiamat's thread to see the date my post was deleted. I suspose I popped someone's cork with logic they could not dispute. What I wrote, was nothing I do not read daily on the message boards. lol. In fact, I did a search on the word moron that I used in my post, and it appears several places on the boards. If you do not want me posting on your official boards mel, keep your 24 hour ban perm. It's been 4 days now, and I really don't care if you lift it or not. You were real lucky though! 2 more hours and I would have had the time to compose my ingame pledge letters to several of the big pledges and they would have shown up on your boards like flies. You beat me to the punch and wrecked my plan to bring all the people who are for it to be one handed to voice their opinions. I have helped tons of newbies on your boards. And many an idea, I have proposed, has been implemented.

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On another note,

Dear IronBlade Dragon,

You are nuts! Your 99% right, but you need to grow up and phrase your concepts in a lighter tone. And if your 10 or 11 years old, your going to do well :) I've been called stuborn and opiniated myself. And strangly I have a charactor by your name. LOL, So I figure I should take care of you, being kinda my namesake. What state do you live in? You sound like my nephew in California. I taught him algebra from flashcards at age 6. LOL You sound the same smart ass way. LOL
Chill a bit. Let your vocabulary grasp the concept of tact.

And on the recripical of that note, a bit of sarcasm does go a long ways if you temper it with judgement.

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Right now, I could care less if I ever post on the official boards again. I've never been banned from a message board forum in my life, and under the circumstances it happended to me, I am not pleased(Which includes Mel thanking me for reporting a webpage error in a PM 5 mins before I was banned.LOL). lol I see mel delete messages all day long that are far worse than I could ever post and the people are not banned, they are posting again 20-30 seconds later. no warning, and still 24 hour banned? I can be much more effective in-game anyways :> It's like I told scorch from the beginning, he has some weird problem with me. LOL. So Mel either make it say Perm or take the 24 hour msg down, it's annoying. lol

February 08, 2002 06:21 pm ET (#58)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

Dein will you adopt me? i live in Oregon I want to learn alg/trig/calc from flashcards!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!

February 08, 2002 06:34 pm ET (#59)
Lostheaven
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185 posts
10-06-01

overkill I think they added the tsurugi because the 2hs is in wide use. The 10 damage vs. the 12 damage of a Katana , is no contest. Yes you can kill things faster , but a Kat will lower damage more often. A tsurugi will do max damage more often.
IronBlade and David , from what I know about LB , and how he does things, I doubt the US server , or forthcoming UK/European servers will ever be in the same as korea

February 08, 2002 06:47 pm ET (#60)
Fuzzle
Loyal Fan

73 posts
01-05-02

O_O
I think Lost's post makes sense...the Korean, Chinese, and Japanese (Don't know about this one though --) servers are much more advanced than we are; with -5x ac and stuff. A 1 handed tsurugi would kill off anyone in sieges; coupled with the fact that knights are the only ones who can use it, and their high hp. I mean...they could whack off another guy's head in a few seconds.

Besides...what happens when NC feels that the US servers are ready for a one handed tsurugi? All of you people who have tsurugis will be happy. ^_^

Umm...yeah...I'm not sure my post made much sense. --;

February 08, 2002 07:14 pm ET (#61)
IronBlade Dragon
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135 posts
10-13-01

Hi Fuzzle ^.^

I'm going to be nice and respond to one point you make. you say--A 1 handed tsurugi would kill off anyone in sieges; coupled with the fact that knights are the only ones who can use it, and their high hp.---


I ask you in a siege or pvp situation do you tink it matters if say a knight with a tsu is whacking on a mage. and it is really hurting the mage. Do you think it matters to the knight if he has a shield? no he does not. A mage if he swings on you with a weapon is an idiot. So my only recourse against knights is to use spells. I am a mage!. And you you think it matters if that knight has a shield equiped? nope. spells dont do didly cheese against magic!. nor does armor class. Therefore you must conclude, if a knight has a 1 handed tsu and a shield, it would make no difference in pvp against a mage.


So basically knights can whack off your head the same whether it's 1 handed or 2 handed!. Think about that.


And one more thingy... The only servers older than the USA servers are the korean servers. Japan,Hongkong and Taiwan all came after the USA servers.

February 08, 2002 08:46 pm ET (#62)
Reece
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50 posts
01-14-02

This shouldn't even be a valid discussion.

The Tsurugi is 2-handed for now, until its effects can be observed on the normal servers, as stated per Melantus.

Whether you're in favor or against the 2-handed Tsurugi, it doesn't matter.
The topic is dead.

February 08, 2002 10:02 pm ET (#63)
Orcide
Loyal Fan

162 posts
10-05-01

lol not ready ??? i tell you why, couz so many dun know how to play.
i got -5x, +7~8 weapons, you know why... becouse i CARE about it...
i love the game, i like to hunt (even tho it hard exp at lvl 49).

frankly i dun care if tsu will be 1 or 2 handed, but u can bet imma make mine +7

February 08, 2002 10:18 pm ET (#64)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

WereWoof. Why do you force me to reply to you? Quit picking on me!

And go sit on a bag of ice cubes and think about lots of people using dice daggers on the dragons.

February 08, 2002 10:49 pm ET (#65)
EdgyAsHell
Loyal Fan

128 posts
10-11-01

I don't know if anyone already said this but I suppose it doesn't matter because I don't care ;Þ. When the players on dep killed the dragons one of the drops was Tsurugi. At that time, it was a *1h* weapon. Tsurugi was changed after that to 2h. NC took it away from us. Just like they said "O god forbid we take something from the players!". Hate to rain on anybody's parade, but they already have! What they really mean is, "We don't want to loose alot of high level players by pulling that stuff again." When you start talking about 10 million adena, people tend to get very unhappy when it's *converted* to crap.

February 08, 2002 10:54 pm ET (#66)
IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan

135 posts
10-13-01

Where do I go to buy algebra flashcards? I can ride my bike to the mall i still have a couple hours of daylight left but i dunno what store i should goto!!!! I wanna learn algebra and amaze the adults!

February 09, 2002 02:53 am ET (#67)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

lostheaven very good points ironbladedragon shut the hell up im sick and tired of listning to you raving how stupid nc is jsut get used to it damn!. Bunch of mindless complainer's nc is watching out for there customres.And thats what i like

February 09, 2002 02:58 am ET (#68)
dabman
Loyal Fan

244 posts
10-22-01

I still believe people will use the tsurugi. People were +ing 2hs's just for that one extra damage, and now they have 5 extra damage.

February 09, 2002 04:52 am ET (#69)
Sunrunner
Loyal Fan

19 posts
02-08-02

I don't know a single person who has +ed a 2hs let alone used it.
Sometimes I see on the chat window selling +ed 2hs.. but it's VERY rare.
Oh and NC support does suck... all those who say stop complaining and whining.. wait till u loose 3 million in adena and they don't even respond to your emails...

February 09, 2002 06:32 am ET (#70)
Dein
Loyal Fan

77 posts
02-08-02

The funniest thing about the whole situation is that none of this comotion would have happended to the extent it has if they had just gone with the grain and made it one handed. lol It would have been a much small thread with just a few newbies/wannabes complaining. If it would have been left like the other items that are the same as the korean design in Episode 10. I don't see people complaining about the other changes made durring ep10. By most of the logic used by these people who complain against the tsu, I would expect to hear them complaining in droves about no more bookmarks in caves slowing down their advancement rates, because it will take more time to get where you want. If the US servers had gone against the grain, I somehow would have expectd a thread similar to what has happended with the tsu discussions. Something is very rotten here.

I also do not think the US servers are too young for this sword. I think some of people posting negativly about it are too young for the sword. lol

And if some of these guys had posted similar long ago, we would have a totally nerfed everything( 3 handed katanna,summon goblins,helm of magic light spell,etc)lol.

Send me your flames, rants, emotional outbursts,etc. lol

I won't be posting on the official boards anymore it seems.

And after all I've contributed and tried to help them...I get a 24 hour temp ban that has lasted 5 days. And with no explanation from them why 24 hours has lasted so long, I should let everyone know, don't bother PM'ing me on the official site. lol It's not going to work. lol. And I don't plan to email them regarding it. It's nc who loses, not me, I have more free time to play, not post and try and help others on the official site.



February 09, 2002 06:41 am ET (#71)
Dein
Loyal Fan

77 posts
02-08-02

IronBlade Dragon,

LOL
No I cannot adopt you. LOL

Buy math flashcards at stores that sell teaching supplies. Look in the yellow pages.

February 09, 2002 07:04 am ET (#72)
Dein
Loyal Fan

77 posts
02-08-02

******Third post in a row**************
( That's even better than you guys saying first post! lol )

Also,a small fyi: the person with the highest IQ in the world ( next to me of course) is a Korean theoretical mathamatician. Math flash cards were used by his parents at an extremely young age.

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Amer needs message boards! hehe

February 09, 2002 11:38 am ET (#73)
the4
Loyal Fan

20 posts
01-20-02

fuck u nc

February 09, 2002 03:38 pm ET (#74)
asianwarrior
Loyal Fan

20 posts
02-09-02

Plz fire the nc in austin and hire the one in korea plz plz.

February 09, 2002 03:54 pm ET (#75)
SonShadowCat
Loyal Fan

98 posts
02-02-02

I think the koreans would treat the US servers as bad or even worse as we are treated now, I mean why treat foreigners as good as your own people?

February 09, 2002 07:09 pm ET (#76)
LadyBritish
Loyal Fan

207 posts
01-28-02

Change the tsu later? look at our SOM. "O, I'm sorry. We put the 40 mp limit in by accident. We'll get rid of it soon."

ya rite. lost, what u say may make more sense, but that's assuming NCI will plan to change it. They have done nothing at our requests since they commercialized. only have the entire population of lineage kicking their ass that they put in a few in-game support type figures in newbie areas, not to mention that it's not for vets. just newbies.

I have never encountered the tsu, so i cannot say, but first impression is that without a sheild, no-one would really wants a tsu. Lost as a personal question, can u tell me wheter or not that u'd make a tsu and use it?

February 09, 2002 08:39 pm ET (#77)
Sidus
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3 posts
10-08-01

87 posts, common people, whine some more so we can make it to 100

February 09, 2002 09:00 pm ET (#78)
LadyBritish
Loyal Fan

207 posts
01-28-02

ya keep it up!!!

February 09, 2002 10:11 pm ET (#79)
SonShadowCat
Loyal Fan

98 posts
02-02-02

I think the koreans told nc austin to make it 2h so that non asians wouldnt be as powerful as the asians

just my 2c

February 09, 2002 11:58 pm ET (#80)
Lostheaven
Loyal Fan

185 posts
10-06-01

Yeah I will make a tsu and use it for knight. It is believed that Knight damage is capped (30ish). I found out that Blizzard is random damage, Summon , Sosc , and Braves are all random too. Its kinda of funny , Summon can be more than 55 mins , I have had one for 60 mins , but the BBs vanish at 58 mins past.
I want to test the tsu. I lack the drive of other people to make ac -6x ac. On the Test and US servers , there are monsters that drop upwards of 5 tqds per kill. Phoenix being one.
I also want to test the Tsu hitting ability. Slayer hit my mage with it , and does an average of 30 damage, never anymore than 30. It did 28, 30, 29.

February 10, 2002 01:46 am ET (#81)
L
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481 posts
01-16-02

My poor som =(
changed just like the Tsu

February 10, 2002 02:32 am ET (#82)
jecht969
Loyal Fan

41 posts
02-12-02

well..... ill contribute

February 10, 2002 02:46 am ET (#83)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

wut the heck, another weapon gone bad......

February 10, 2002 02:47 am ET (#84)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

i was really looking forward to tsurugi too...


February 10, 2002 02:47 am ET (#85)
asianwarrior
Loyal Fan

20 posts
02-09-02

Dag with all these whining. I hope they care enough to do some thing about the tsu. After all there are nearly 100 people commented on this 2nd tsu and most are not satisfy about it.

February 10, 2002 02:49 am ET (#86)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

maybe if we wine enough nc will pay attention....................






February 10, 2002 02:51 am ET (#87)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

its hard to believe nc still thinks its powerful

February 10, 2002 03:03 am ET (#88)
Tweak
Loyal Fan

456 posts
10-21-01

99 post!!

February 10, 2002 03:04 am ET (#89)
Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

Youhou i made the 100post !!!

February 10, 2002 04:05 am ET (#90)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

sigh

February 10, 2002 04:36 am ET (#91)
Andy
Loyal Fan

51 posts
10-25-01

*Uses cancellation on post 100 and 101*
Now I have the 100th post.

The only person who makes sense in this argument, doesn't closed-mindedly cling to his own unjustified causes and ignorantly rejects all others, makes logical deductions and DEFENDS THEM REASONABLY is Lost. *Salutes lost*
Or maybe he just has too much time on his hands? :)

February 10, 2002 05:51 am ET (#92)
LadyBritish
Loyal Fan

207 posts
01-28-02

omg there's enough spam to last me a year in dorm. yuck~~~ o.0

February 10, 2002 01:45 pm ET (#93)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

is the whole point of commenting to get a high # of comments now?

February 10, 2002 01:55 pm ET (#94)
Bloodlust
Loyal Fan

63 posts
11-06-01

I can't believe i read all the posts! after 50 i had this great idea what to write, after 80 i lost it, sp all i have to say, even if tsurugi is 2h i would use it for PvP, i used my +b-2hs for PvP against raps, kats and i still won! (didnt have a +shield LOL)

February 10, 2002 06:10 pm ET (#95)
MadCatz
Loyal Fan

35 posts
11-14-01

I still think it should be 2 handed. One handed would be too powerful. +7 b-2hs is strong... I cant imagin +7 tsurugi... super scrary

February 10, 2002 08:37 pm ET (#96)
omega
Loyal Fan

38 posts
12-01-01

meh... is the items needed for tsurugi worth the time for it to be 1 handed or 2 handed? think about it...

February 10, 2002 08:55 pm ET (#97)
TLFmaster
Loyal Fan

223 posts
12-02-01

i've read all 108 is it? I must have no life. but anyways... i've heard of +7 b2hs killing bb in 3 seconds flat. think about what +7 tsuragi can do.

February 10, 2002 09:06 pm ET (#98)
Fuzzle
Loyal Fan

73 posts
01-05-02

+2 hit is crazy...if you had the -8ac with the elven shield, AND a +2 hit bonus, knights can whack off peoples' heads even faster! Elves would be screwed over in sieges. O.O

February 10, 2002 11:01 pm ET (#99)
killamage24
Loyal Fan

72 posts
01-05-02

im too lazy to read all 112 or sumtin like that

ive been thinking...I LOVE THE TEST SERVER...im hunting astgio and tauverous and cockatrice with y lvl 28 20 str -40ac +6rap knight.o.0.and i still have 500k off to the side.o.0

February 10, 2002 11:04 pm ET (#100)
killamage24
Loyal Fan

72 posts
01-05-02

and i dint know why i just posted that.0.o
i guess im bored. o ya
i think there should be a balance but not making it 2 handed.like make it 1 handed but make it harder to get.or even make it the rarest drop in the game but u cant make it.i would be happy with that

February 11, 2002 12:26 am ET (#101)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

lordrake all u have to do is type in the correct IP address.

February 11, 2002 01:04 am ET (#102)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

The correct IP addres is 64.91.129.159

February 11, 2002 01:12 am ET (#103)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

oh ya. u right-click on ur lineage shortcut, go to properties. beside "target" it should say something. delete "US" which should be at the end. in its place type in the IP address

February 11, 2002 01:15 am ET (#104)
Alanc
Loyal Fan

167 posts
02-09-02

u know, lorddrake, i acspect some reward for this in lineage... maybe a little adena? well u really dont have to give me anything.... it would be nice....

February 18, 2002 07:01 am ET (#105)
ZjoeZ
Loyal Fan

13 posts
02-17-02

Guys I am gonna go against you all on this one....... 16 damage to small mops +6-7 that means 32-33 damage put that on top of hastd+braved knight you are looking at someone sucking pots very fast.

a friend tried +7 tsu Vs +7 rap

+7 tsu won by 50 hp despite ac loss and +2 to hit means he may as well not have a shield :P.

and a +7 tsu means your oponent has to use oranges to keep up with the damage your doing if he uses reds ..... he can look forwards to a comfortable END !

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