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March 04, 2002 06:12 pm ET - research by amateras

more Korean Test updates from last week

This went along with the green price change (from Playforum: http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051004&kid=1459):

Green Potions weight reduced from 13 to 8.

Bugbear's "alert" command has disappeared.

March 04, 2002 06:15 pm ET (#1)

lineagelegion
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30 posts
10-23-01

first post =P!

March 04, 2002 06:18 pm ET (#2)

hannibaln3
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3 posts
01-13-02

stfu

March 04, 2002 06:21 pm ET (#3)

Etikilam
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381 posts
02-12-02

woot?

March 04, 2002 06:37 pm ET (#4)

Shayde
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33 posts
10-01-01

3rd?

March 04, 2002 07:09 pm ET (#5)

xLondonBroilx
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200 posts
10-02-01

ummmm....green potions weigh less now....great.....

March 04, 2002 07:10 pm ET (#6)

xLondonBroilx
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200 posts
10-02-01

oops, forgot.
6th?

March 04, 2002 07:38 pm ET (#7)

KillAntharas
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49 posts
03-02-02

7th? lol... great can carry more greens...

March 04, 2002 07:41 pm ET (#8)

Admah02
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73 posts
01-13-02

useless .... just eat more greens be4 hunt

March 04, 2002 08:27 pm ET (#9)

IcastMagic
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29 posts
02-27-02

hm...the link asks me for a password to log on o_0

March 04, 2002 09:25 pm ET (#10)

Alanc
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167 posts
02-09-02

i personally think its unfair that theres a lvl/dex ac bonus. Dex elfs would get an unfair advantage. they SHOULD add that in as long as they add STR/lvl elemental resistance for knights, a constitution/lvl magic resistance for some mages and knights, an INT/lvl hit and damage bonus for mages, and a charisma/lvl healing speed bonus for princes? thats my ideas anyway. well, the point is, if theyre going to give a advantage to elfs, its only fair to give an advantage to other classes also

March 04, 2002 09:31 pm ET (#11)

InToTheFire
Loyal Fan
142 posts
11-27-01

alanc dex elves need that ac bonus cuz they cant wear a shield, of course a dex elf that uses a sword will have such good ac.... elves items give massive ac

March 04, 2002 09:32 pm ET (#12)

Etikilam
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381 posts
02-12-02

i know a dex mage.. 18 dex.. he owns ^_^

March 04, 2002 09:33 pm ET (#13)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

alanc u dumbdumb

dex elf is weaker class right now... it is the balance for lack of sheild. if everyone else gets stronger, then what's the point in having a ac bonus for dex elves?

March 04, 2002 09:45 pm ET (#14)

InToTheFire
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142 posts
11-27-01

exactly what i said ladybrit

March 04, 2002 10:09 pm ET (#15)

L
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481 posts
01-16-02

well, atleast still -6 more ac for the mage

March 04, 2002 10:18 pm ET (#16)

InToTheFire
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142 posts
11-27-01

drake all classes get the ac bonus

March 04, 2002 10:38 pm ET (#17)

hannibaln3
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3 posts
01-13-02

question: how much extra dmg is 1 str for a mage

March 04, 2002 11:47 pm ET (#18)

FlyZ
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791 posts
11-11-01

Why don't we all be happy cuz we might (Keyword: might) get this on the US server

March 05, 2002 12:15 am ET (#19)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

IntoTheFire, u mean about Alanc is a dumbdumb or elf needs more beef? ^.~

n e wayz even though elf is faster than knight now, knight still hit harder, still have better weap/armor and only slower by like less than 10%. plz take that into account too!

March 05, 2002 12:40 am ET (#20)

Etikilam
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381 posts
02-12-02

the more ac we get for free means the better chance we have against the dragons... i hope we get this change

March 05, 2002 02:40 am ET (#21)

THEelfQuickWind
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30 posts
03-03-02

An elf with a sword with 18 dex would get lotsa ac ya sure but when it came time to do damge lol .. well lets just say a wast of time !!
Besides the dex ac bonus does not even make up for the lack of a shield.
Dex shod be giving an AC Bonus. oh and Alanc as for a STR bonus knights get big time damage bonus for STR.. Dex gives bow % chance to hit .. Woohoo anyone with 16 and up dex never misses anyway. bisides a -31 safe max Ac for elfs is stupid.
Even mage have a higher safe max Ac.

March 05, 2002 02:49 am ET (#22)

THEelfQuickWind
Loyal Fan
30 posts
03-03-02

Oh ya and you can bet when that -50% damage spell comes out for mage, They will
make the staffs 2 handed... well they better or it will be like they got -80 AC
I guess they could just make that spell hard to get ...Hmm.. AAahhh . nm

March 05, 2002 06:02 am ET (#23)

Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

dex elf rules discussion ends now ^^.

March 05, 2002 07:02 am ET (#24)

L
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481 posts
01-16-02

^__^ can hunt for alot longer with green weight less ^__^

March 05, 2002 09:53 am ET (#25)

ZjoeZ
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13 posts
02-17-02

Elfs as they stand suck ..... they have no real advantage over any class they are a mixture of the mage/knight except any mage/knight of the same level will own an elf, it is about time they leveled the class's ..... what a great idea,a s well as this if it applies to all chars then it is a good sign that NC think that we are advanced enough to handle the extra ac, and it means taht dex elfs in numbers may be the key to a dead dragon...

March 05, 2002 02:12 pm ET (#26)

mp3
Loyal Fan
193 posts
02-12-02

word up, i really hope that the dex ac bonus gets added to US servers.
The ac would balance the game more in favour of the dex elves in particular, and you would see more bow-using elves in game ... just like in the days of Lineage Beta ^__^. Word up ... T___T

March 05, 2002 02:14 pm ET (#27)

mp3
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193 posts
02-12-02

now adays ... if you walk into Giran Cross ... you see a crowd of mages and knights... you dont see elves anymore /___\

word up T____T

March 05, 2002 03:33 pm ET (#28)

Etikilam
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381 posts
02-12-02

when the ken server first came up, all you saw where elves, the first person to be able to global on ken was an elf...

March 05, 2002 04:06 pm ET (#29)

gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

em.....u guys EVER read the post topic BEFORE posting?..
the dex/ac bonus discussion is on the PREVIOUS news...not this one -_-"...

em...by the way...elves still can kill mages with 50+mr ^_^...no matter what
ac mr lv on the mage^^...as long as they dont pump pots (reds/oranges/clears) --"...

GiGi, from dep

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March 05, 2002 04:11 pm ET (#30)

Orcide
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162 posts
10-05-01

as i said before, those 1st post morons should get banned, lamers...

March 05, 2002 04:12 pm ET (#31)

Li
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62 posts
03-05-02

we all need get ban...then get a life -_-"...
and hang out with REAL-LIFE friends

March 05, 2002 05:38 pm ET (#32)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

gigi since when did amer say u can't discuss other topics in this post?

besides, i bet u can't kill sept's str mage no matter what with ur elf =P

March 05, 2002 07:02 pm ET (#33)

InToTheFire
Loyal Fan
142 posts
11-27-01

high lvl str mages with good ac and really really good exspecially if they got a +9 sof. i have seen someone on test with +9 sof take out a lvl 47 str knight

March 05, 2002 07:13 pm ET (#34)

PROKNIGHT
Loyal Fan
40 posts
02-20-02

we are talking about mages the only way a str mage can beat a knight is if that knight is very weak. Mages are not made for hand to hand combat sorry but it doesnt matter if he is str or not u can get any knight with equal ac against and mage with equal ac and the mage will lose

March 05, 2002 08:46 pm ET (#35)

Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

As i said elf's rock end of discussion "So Hold On To The End" From Machine Head

Ramza1818 Dep

March 05, 2002 09:29 pm ET (#36)

ZRiPTiDEZ
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60 posts
11-13-01

PROKNIGHT you sound very babo :)

March 05, 2002 09:37 pm ET (#37)

THEelfQuickWind
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30 posts
03-03-02

Yes Elfs do rock!! "Follow the yellow brick road" From the wizards of OZ"

QuickWind Dep ... Ramza you so koo.

March 05, 2002 09:42 pm ET (#38)

THEelfQuickWind
Loyal Fan
30 posts
03-03-02

Yes Elfs do rock!! "Follow the yellow brick road" From the wizards of OZ"

QuickWind Dep ... Ramza you so koo.

March 05, 2002 09:52 pm ET (#39)

gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

.......even elf with 12con can have as much hp as a 18con mage...

so...18str mage...i assume put stat on con?...hmmmmmm
18str 7dex 12con 7int 8wis 8charisma with 15pts left for other stat
so..i assume put 6pts on con to make 18con, that's 9pts left...
18str 16dex 18con 7int 8wis 8charisma mage? is that what u talk about?
that can beat ppl?...

em...even dex elf can beat that mage no problem - -"...the only way the mage
beat ppl is cause his ac and +sof r higher than his opponents..that's all...

if u say that str mage can beat mages/prince(ss)...ok i believe u..
if u say he can beat knights/elves...maybe u better rethink about it

GiGi, from dep

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March 05, 2002 10:04 pm ET (#40)

InToTheFire
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142 posts
11-27-01

gigi i am talking about 20 str 18 con mages

March 05, 2002 11:30 pm ET (#41)

gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

20str 14dex 18con?
my comment...same as above - -"...

GiGi, from dep

March 06, 2002 12:39 am ET (#42)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

i'm talking about a 18str/18con or a 20str/16con mage + bb's + vt + erupt + heal + str dex ac magic + sof or som

why don't u just duel Septonian? (is that how u spell ur name? ^^;;;) =P

March 06, 2002 12:41 am ET (#43)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

no to mention all other spells that mage can cast to make u slow or stop or whatever

March 06, 2002 12:48 am ET (#44)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

now now children... be nice

March 06, 2002 12:49 am ET (#45)

EvilFlip
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5 posts
03-05-02

DV is the str mage you are referring to LadyB (Sept's mage). SwordKing had a 21 str mage and said it hit harder than his ds with a sof

March 06, 2002 12:52 am ET (#46)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

are u flip? where have u been?!!?!?

March 06, 2002 02:21 am ET (#47)

BavmordaX
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72 posts
02-15-02

Anyone who says a knight will beat a str mage (or even a con mage), must either not have a mage, or they don't know how to play one. A str mage not only hits relatively hard, but they also have combat spells that allow for lessening the impact a knight will make on them. Weapon break, slow, paralyse, etc. gives a mage the advantage if you're talking about 1:1, mages are not completely useless.

March 06, 2002 03:27 am ET (#48)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

bavmordax that's just part of the reason. with sof mages hit even harder than knights, and with bb's knight's will be stunned more(even though bb's are relatively weak vs. a lv 40+ knight).

also we can carry more pots with 2 to 4 more con than knight.

March 06, 2002 04:20 am ET (#49)

PROKNIGHT
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40 posts
02-20-02

u guys forget the fact of the knight's speed. In a one on one fight like people seem to be talking about a knight will win in a dual. Using spells is something different of course if a mage uses his spells he will win but, in a fight without spells a str mage will get owned.

March 06, 2002 04:53 am ET (#50)

Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

Elfs are gods mages suck knights now suck and prince/ss are coo. So all in the end the elfs will be the strongest charecters to be ^^. "So welcome to the world i left" ~Machine Head~
Ramza1818 Dep

March 06, 2002 07:09 am ET (#51)

Linny
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166 posts
05-01-02

I have my 20str 18con base mage made before heine episode, he can kick a higher lvl elf/knight with better ac (in skel morph of course)

March 06, 2002 10:54 am ET (#52)

Pepper
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135 posts
02-11-02

Ya well, i do think the dex/ac thingy is a good approach NC has made in the 'KOREAN' test server to make dex elves last longer when hunting alone, since now dex elves are pretty weak unless they are in a gang of 3-4. There's always this controversy over what the strongest class is, and the truth is, u can all be strong if u know how to play this game (also...there's the good-luck factor). Prince class is still the weakest that u can be sure of. And since there's only a few who are dedicated to leveling a prince and 'we' are used to it so u rarely hear about complaints from prince chars. Nonetheless, i think if NC is to make all classes 'somewhat' balanced, they should pay attention to rewarding princes/esses for their effort. I'm not here to complain about what princes should get/use/wield etc, but there should be things, such as spells, that can be rewarded to princes. Spells such as Enchant armor and dex can be particularly useful and they motivate princes to lvl up. But then again, you would tell me it's stupid to lvl a prince cus u are the universal target in wars/sieges. Another reason why princes are harder cus if they are easy, ppl would play it and there won't be enough players on the server to join the pledges created....neways, enough said. No use arguing over who's the strongest, u 'can' all be strong. -_-

March 06, 2002 10:56 am ET (#53)

Pepper
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135 posts
02-11-02

opps i forgot to say...it's in the 'KOREAN' (bolded, underlined) test server...which does not necessarily happen in US servers...like tsurugi, it remained 2-handed. And i'm not being pessimistic.

March 06, 2002 11:05 am ET (#54)

Classx
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5 posts
01-06-02

ya ya elf this elf that, ken doesn't have a 50th elf that I know of, does Dep?
oh ya who cares? PROKNIGHT conelf vs your what-ever knight owns...that's the gospel according to CLASSX~peace

March 06, 2002 01:50 pm ET (#55)

KillAntharas
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49 posts
03-02-02

there has been alot of comments on this article o.o lol

March 06, 2002 02:37 pm ET (#56)

LadyBritish
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207 posts
01-28-02

proknight. we don't need to be faster. all we need is wb + bb's (if not tamed stonger mops) and a knight is a deadmeat. since knight will hit weaker even without wb, and gets stunned more because we have extra mops hitting u.

not to mention more pot, can add -4ac with spells, can heal even if pot is out, and regardless of str or con knight we can equal in hp and hit harder

March 06, 2002 03:36 pm ET (#57)

BavmordaX
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72 posts
02-15-02

besides that, who cares about fighting without spells? i never understood people thinking that 'doorway duels' determined who the stronger player was. not *all* knights will get owned by mages, i was making a general statement. MOST knights will, because they want to go for the knight AC set, which leaves them extreemly vulnerable to mage's spells, such as weapon break, cancel, slow, paralyse, v-t, and anything else they feel like throwing into the mix. my knight (and my mage) both use MR sets. magic resistance ac is much better for pking than an ac set, and i personally choose to live with the 3ac difference, in order to win most fights.

March 06, 2002 04:11 pm ET (#58)

THEelfQuickWind
Loyal Fan
30 posts
03-03-02

I'll tell you why .. becouse most of the people who play knights a brain less fools! But i'm not saying all knights are fools.. just most of them .. heres a test: If you have ever beat a DEX elf or a Mage in a door way and thot to your self man i'm tuff and they sux.. Then your a fool. .. I don't recall robin hood or anyone who uses a bow running up to the enemy and takin damage.
OH ya and sins i'm puing down morons! Why the hell does a lvl 48 knight have more ER then a lvl 48 DEX elf!! & why are dex knights uesing bows!! OH and when i tell them that if they like using bows they shod play an elf they think knights better with it !!?? KILL ALL the BRAIN DEAD !!

March 06, 2002 04:13 pm ET (#59)

THEelfQuickWind
Loyal Fan
30 posts
03-03-02

.....I feel better now......

March 06, 2002 05:21 pm ET (#60)

gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

all u say is BB BB BB BB BB BB BB BB .....(continuing the BB echos)...
with bb...the mage's not 1:1 his target...it's at least 5:1 - -"...

ppl have to 3:1 my elf (3 of THEM, knights/elves/mages, vs. 1 of ME)...i happened to have 3 knights gang me up while they all on brave and green...
and 3 elves (2 w/ sword 1 w/ bow) and mages all erupt me or drain my mp~~)
to get me killed--^...cant even 1:1 my elf...

i wonder what mp the 20str 18con mage get....and what sp he get? (sof = -2sp o.o)

pep~~...prince(ss) should be able to wear at least a decent shield...which most prince(ss) wear sor right now...kinda sux...so..maybe bug nc more on the official board and they'll do something to shut u up there - -"..either ban or make some new items...

GiGi, from dep

March 06, 2002 06:58 pm ET (#61)

ImYurHuklBry
Loyal Fan
119 posts
11-16-01

Anyone that does not recognize the Prince class to be the most powerful class in Lineage has either not understood the game fully, or has a distorted interpretation of the meaning of true power. Cha is the most powerful stat, and no one with half a brain can refute that.

March 06, 2002 07:10 pm ET (#62)

Pepper
Loyal Fan
135 posts
02-11-02

Yes, Charisma is what a prince really needs or at least that's what is intended for prnice class. But it's not really the way how it's like when u are putting it in the practical world. Leveling a 18cha prince is not easy (i have been one), because of the lack of str and con. In order to lvl a cha prince one would usually hunt with 2-3 dogs which in turn will take up a large portion of ur exp. And the main thing is, you dun need alot of members to be strong. A few good loyal ones who support you are way better than the mass recruitment of strangers. Again, no need to listen to me cus i'm babo. o.O

March 06, 2002 07:31 pm ET (#63)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

WHO SAY PEP BABO??!!
I go wack that guy a big stick of mine! (not THAT thing u perves thinking...it's a baseball bat - -")

em..in game charisma have nothing to do with the success of a prince(ss)...it's the personality, charm, and determination of the PERSON WHO PLAY THE CHARACTER that makes it successful.

Having loyal members to back u up (even if it's a losing battle, i see a prince getting gang by 2knights 1elf 1mage today morning around 1:00am near kent...i bet u all dont have the guts to be that prince to stay alive while keep fighting a losing battle) is a great thing (cause i then see his members help out all of them pump pots o.o ppl ven come back fight again)

so..no matter what stat the prince(ss) is, the main point is, having great friends to back u up when u in trouble, sharing happiness and friendship in hunting monsters and get experience (not the ones from monsters but from relationships of people all across the globe playing on that server), to grow, to mature, and become the best of other people's memories.

Though most ppl here think ac weapon hp and stuff r real power...(koreans, chinese, americans, eruopeans, etc)...

so..*beep* you for messing with the ones i truely believe they'll be the best of best \./

*sorry for saying that word here amer - -"..

oh yeah..i hate all castle owning pledges...

March 06, 2002 08:41 pm ET (#64)

DarkArmada
Loyal Fan
56 posts
01-25-02

all u people who don't like this change i would like to ask u 1 qeustion does somebody that is very slow and has bad reflexes gonna doge the same amount of arrows or weapons as some who move like crouching tiger hidden dragon????
~and its for all classes so shut ur mouth~
*plays 3'rd edition D&D and even thogh peole with great dex have bows and good ac and hit alot, 1 knight with equal str = DEATH*

March 06, 2002 11:00 pm ET (#65)

LadyBritish
Loyal Fan
207 posts
01-28-02

ya... door way battle wow... limiting the mage's true potential in battle, ofcourse a knight can win. knights lose nothing in a doorway battle since all he does is run up and whack.

mages can keep distance and erupt, summon, wb, heal. if u run into a chao mage with 18 char or 20str out of town, only a babo would stand their ground and fight. if not dying, it would definitely cost him a few pots. mostly knights simply cos they were designed to do so and users aren't accustomed to the idea that a mage can use any spell they like in a none duel situation.

bb bb bb bb bb... etc... ya. we kick knights butt in real world. keep ur little world limited to the door way to urself.

March 07, 2002 12:15 am ET (#66)

PROKNIGHT
Loyal Fan
40 posts
02-20-02

i was commenting on the comment that a str mage will beat a knight in a dual. of course when a mage uses spells he will win. I was referring to the sof against a knight. That mage wont win.

March 07, 2002 02:29 am ET (#67)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

.0o i like elf dex elf forever!!!!!

March 07, 2002 01:02 pm ET (#68)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

k....then try being gang by 5knights/5elves/5prince(ss) then o.o..
that should even out u urself and ur 4bb ~~..
see who wins and who ven

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