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July 28, 2003 02:48 am ET - research by amateras
Test: Dark Elf weapons
Lineage Playforum did some tests (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051004&kid=4584) to try to see where the Dark Elf weapons fit in.

Testers

  • Dark Elf with +9 Dark Light Claw, lv 47, STR 18, DEX 16, -55 AC, 410 HP
  • Dark Elf with +10 Damascus Claw, lv 39, STR 18, DEX 16, -57 AC, 333 HP
  • Knight with +8 Damascus, lv 46, STR 17, CON 17, -57 AC, 511 HP
  • Knight with +9 Tsurugi, lv 35, CON 18, -59 AC, 431 HP
  • Knight with +8 Tsurugi, lv 48, CON 18, -70 AC, 570 HP

+10 Damascus Claw vs. +9 Tsurugi
Dark Elf user won with between 7-29 HP. Dark Elf had Haste, Burning Spirit, STR, DEX, Knight had Brave Haste, STR, DEX, Enchant Weapon.

+8 Damascus vs +9 Dark Light Claw
Dark Elf wins with 35-80 HP. Dark Elf had Haste, Shadow Fang, Armor Break, Knight had Brave, Haste, STR, DEX, Enchant Weapon.

+9 Dark Light Claw vs +8 Tsurugi
Knight wins with 80-90 HP. Dark Elf had Haste, Shadow Fang, Armor Break, Knight had Brave, Haste, STR, DEX, Enchant Weapon.

The testers noted that Uncanny Dodge and Armor Break really helped the Dark Elves dodge attacks.

July 28, 2003 02:55 am ET (#1)
thunderguard
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17 posts
04-27-03

1st post ^_^ cool

July 28, 2003 03:00 am ET (#2)
Chance
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13 posts
10-23-02

It didn't say whether the DE's used spell: Acceleration. If they didn't use it, damn that is strong o.o

July 28, 2003 03:11 am ET (#3)
Septonian
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93 posts
10-29-01

....Why would Moving Acceleration change anything? I don't think the DEs are using hit-and-run on the Knights ^^;

July 28, 2003 03:16 am ET (#4)
K-ZS-M
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925 posts
05-04-02

yeah
acceleration will be good for hit-and-run attacks
most ppl thinking it "braves/wafers" a DE
only affects walking speed not the attack

we gotta test out ourselves
see what DEs can really do

July 28, 2003 03:49 am ET (#5)
LazyProdigy
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22 posts
03-17-02

wow 570 hp against a 410 hp dark elf... that means that dark elf does way more damge than knight because knght only won by 60 hp, same for all the otehr dark elves vs knight... and those dark elves had 18.... imagine them with 20 base str with 5 str elixirs and a +9 DARK KING CLAW... that will be like twice as crazy... that would be like a level 70 attack power at a lower level such as level 46-48... pretty crazy

July 28, 2003 04:36 am ET (#6)
Yoshiki
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667 posts
12-13-02

Dark elf can use brave? I hope not lol

July 28, 2003 06:36 am ET (#7)
Shah
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87 posts
06-10-02

dark elf has str cap of 18 same as elf

July 28, 2003 07:49 am ET (#8)
thesimbul
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39 posts
01-22-02

if the de is str 18 and dex 16, where did they put the other statpoints?

July 28, 2003 08:12 am ET (#9)
Chum
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116 posts
10-17-02

"+10 Damascus Claw vs. +9 Tsurugi
Dark Elf user won with between 7-29 HP. Dark Elf had Haste, Burning Spirit, STR, DEX, Knight had Brave Haste, STR, DEX, Enchant Weapon. "
o.o a dark elf can beat a con knight whos on brave and str.. and who is using tsu. This new class is uber strong :P

July 28, 2003 08:59 am ET (#10)
Haleft
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53 posts
10-18-02

DE has no STR cap !! if u try to distribute attributes, u can put 19 STR, so dont say that STR is capped...
DE will be the best, even against knights (not againts Death Knights, i hope)

July 28, 2003 09:11 am ET (#11)
Murond
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78 posts
02-06-02

looks like they'll be AWESOME for pvp....i just hope they don't beat knights in hunting....otherwise knight will be useless....either that, or it will just move knights into the "tank" category. i hope that's what it does, and not make them completely useless.

July 28, 2003 09:24 am ET (#12)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

Haleft, I have found out that on the Korean servers Dark Elves have a str stat distribution cap of 18. It has not been updated here yet, but it will probably be updated here soon.

July 28, 2003 10:29 am ET (#13)
Shah
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87 posts
06-10-02

Man I downloaded the Korean test update... STR could not be put higher than 18..so yes I will say that =P

July 28, 2003 11:00 am ET (#14)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

I am starting to wonder what armor break actually does. I have seen that it is a self-casting spell, so I wonder what the purpose of it actually is.

July 28, 2003 11:48 am ET (#15)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

What are the stats on Dark Light Claws?

July 28, 2003 01:38 pm ET (#16)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

Interesting to note, both of those guys had 3 extra points to distribute, and we don't know where they put them. We also know that a con 8 DE gets on average 7.5 HP. Well both of these guys got 8.5 HP average. Could they have put the 3 points in con, and that 11 con makes a difference over 8 con?

July 28, 2003 02:01 pm ET (#17)
mshah2k
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58 posts
12-05-02

We dont know that. They may be wearing items like the cloak or boots that gives HP or HP belt , etc.

July 28, 2003 03:42 pm ET (#18)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

DE's get both a cloak (+30 hp) and boots (+50 hp) that give a combined total of 80 hp. They are either found or are quest items, I am not sure. Also, there is no hp gain difference from 8-15 con.

July 28, 2003 03:59 pm ET (#19)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

u guys forgetting that at first DEs only had 7 points to distribute

shah des have no str cap...

man why doesnt anyone test the double swords? dont they hit twice per swing? that means 2x damage? anyone confirm that?

July 28, 2003 04:54 pm ET (#20)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

Legolas, if the lvl 47 guy was wearing that stuff (for a gain of 80 HP) that means his average hp would be 6.5 so I doubt he was wearing that (we already know the average is at least 7.5). Oh, and just because you keep saying that 8-15 con for a DE has no difference doens't mean it is true -.-

CON is class dependent, and until word comes out of korea (which it hasn't!) then we just don't know. All of you were saying that DE hp would be sucky a few months back. Guess what, it isn't that bad (it is the same as a normal elf). I wouldn't be surprised if you are wrong about this as well.

July 28, 2003 05:27 pm ET (#21)
loazeus
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19 posts
09-25-02

Well, you know the DE class gets all this HP regen items so that helps a bit in fighting. PLus the DE is suppose to be able to DODGE attacks better. So you cant say one is stronger then the other. It all depends on the equipment they use.

July 28, 2003 11:23 pm ET (#22)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

CON may be class dependent, but the hp gains for all current classes is the same until the CON becomes 16, depending on the class. Ok, so the DE doesn't have on both HP items, but with just the cloak (+30 hp), the HP average is 7.65 HP per lvl and is right on par with the average.

I posted this b4 and I will post it again:

Here is the post: http://www.lineagecompendium.com/addcomment.php?newsid=1664

That post that WAS reported from KOREA.

July 29, 2003 03:09 am ET (#23)
CrazyHan
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3 posts
07-27-03

I dont think DE is better than knight, you only must see lvl's and Ac get an idea...lvl 35 knight misses a lot of hits to a -57 ac

Please people, dou you really think NC didnt test the new class?? I think all is tested to be as leveled as possible...

July 29, 2003 06:03 am ET (#24)
theperv
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74 posts
10-11-02

Although the tests doesn't have a reliable constant being that most comparisions are based on different ac, lvl, and weapons, it does show that somehow des are able to do alot more damage than knights and this is without them having no ability to use any elven/knight braves.

Imagine if they can use braves like elves and knights and can use dk morph at 52...bring on the pain.

July 30, 2003 12:19 pm ET (#25)
NaughtyMage
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13 posts
01-15-03

ok at first i thought that DE would be xtremely stupid and everything but omg this is hella sick lol, i think im just gonna make one deleteing my elf or my knight lol! DE gonna rule!

August 01, 2003 04:19 am ET (#26)
Talic
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23 posts
08-23-03

you wont have to delete either... we will probably be getting a 4th slot

August 03, 2003 12:35 pm ET (#27)
sallee
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2 posts
12-13-02

Now I didnt read anywhere that DE can only use Dark items? Can DE's use any of the normal items like PG's ammy's armmor's etc etc??

August 03, 2003 12:49 pm ET (#28)
sallee
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2 posts
12-13-02

Did I read 1 article crrrectly in that,the hp lvl up is no different for DE regardless on points added to con. So am I to assume that you HP lvls will be the same at 8 con as oppossed to 11 con? (assuming thats where the testers final 3 stat points went?) cos if thats the case then surely the best place for the last 3 points would be wis or wis/dex? hmmm 18 str/dex 11 wis or
18str 16dex 13wis. Either of these would be my choice of DE stats. If HP lvls between 8con an 11con are no different? any1 have any opinions to my comments?

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