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July 23, 2003 04:27 am ET - research by amateras
Dark Elf ER/HP/MP gains
Lineage Playforum reported (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051004&kid=4570) that the ER bonus was added to the Dark Elf class (same as elves) on 7/16:

Here is the complete chart:
ER values by class
Prince+1 per 8 levels
Knight+1 per 4 levels
Elf+1 per 6 levels
Dark Elf+1 per 6 levels
Mage+1 per 10 levels

Also, for people interested in the HP/MP of the Dark Elf class, a level 31 Dark Elf (CON 11, WIS 8) was shown in this article with 236 HP and 108 MP. That's ~7.5 HP and ~3.5 MP per level. That works out to also be the same as existing elf/prince level gains (when compared with equal CON/WIS)

July 23, 2003 04:31 am ET (#2)
spitfire
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51 posts
10-12-02

it will still suck for boss

July 23, 2003 04:38 am ET (#3)
WraithFire
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54 posts
12-06-02

sounds good to me, i mean they can't make a uber class that is the best at everything.

July 23, 2003 04:42 am ET (#4)
Tissot
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180 posts
06-22-02

level 50 + belt + boots + cloak = max hp
50*7.5 + 50 + 50 + 30 = 505 hp
50*3.5 = 175 mp

How good is this class at heal themself?
Sofar it looks that they will be a potion consuming class.

July 23, 2003 04:44 am ET (#5)
Cody
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510 posts
09-10-02

wats dark elf advantage?..

July 23, 2003 05:19 am ET (#6)
K-ZS-M
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925 posts
05-04-02

this class will rely on pots
just like knights
they got no good healing spells
except for lesser heal

July 23, 2003 06:27 am ET (#7)
Shah
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87 posts
06-10-02

I think ER is all messed up. Elf and dark elf should have highest ER whereas all human classes should have basically the same ER.

July 23, 2003 08:10 am ET (#8)
Yoshiki
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667 posts
12-13-02

8Con lvl same hp as 11con? still its good hp i thought Dark elf would be even lower than mage o_O

July 23, 2003 08:42 am ET (#9)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

From the looks of it, DE's will now be able to make 18 con, but be weak in everything else...With this information, I would rather make a 18 str/18 dex DE than a con DE. Con DE's will have a lot of HP, but will have little power with swords because they don't get str or dex spells.

July 23, 2003 09:24 am ET (#10)
Tissot
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180 posts
06-22-02

Good point legolas.

Now for the next question:

Sword or Bow?

July 23, 2003 09:24 am ET (#11)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

Spitfire, how will DE's suck for bosses when they will have the ability to have over 500 hp at lvl 50? Dex elves are good agaist some bosses and they have less hp than that at lvl 50. Hell some mages are good agaist bosses and they have even less hp...

Now that they made it so there are 10 points to distribute, I don't know which stats to choose...

I think I am leaning towards 19 str/18 dex because they seems to be getting better hp gains than most dex elves. 18 con DE's will be pointless because they will be weak in the other areas (str and dex) also because they will not have access to the lvl 4 or 6 buff spells (str, dex, and bless weapon) or the lvl 5 spell Greater Heal.

July 23, 2003 10:09 am ET (#12)
Jaire
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74 posts
02-12-02

(CON 11, WIS 8)

These Stats are backwards. You can't have wis that low. CON 8, WIS 11 were the base levels before the update.

July 23, 2003 10:11 am ET (#13)
Rincewind
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279 posts
02-12-02

I agree with Legolas4. I'll be putting my points into str/dex. I'm gonna go with double swords too...I don't mind using pots. =P That they're so weak in magic is a bit disappointing. QQ

One question about this article...how was there a Dark Elf with 8 wis when the base is 10 (and was 11)? o.o

July 23, 2003 01:54 pm ET (#14)
archibald
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12 posts
09-30-02

the fact they are weak in magic is fine. it only seems like a problem cus they have given elves such good magic in the past. i never agreed with other classes having any spells that are superior to the mage class.

July 23, 2003 03:51 pm ET (#15)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

Tissot why you gotta b picky? ;-) use both..muahahhaa i think sword will be better choice for most though since str can be higher than dex and dex also has effect on sword while str doesnt have effect on bow :-) these guys will hit sooooo frikin hard :-) i need info on the weps though t.t does double sword swing twice per action? and if so then why are all the people i see on korean servers usin claws...do claws also swing a bit faster than normal sword?

July 23, 2003 03:55 pm ET (#16)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

So #12, are you saying that at 8 con, the DE was getting 7.5 per lvl? If that is the case, then a DE will have better hp than a normal elf at the same con. Which would make sense, since DE doens't have much in the way of a heal spell (much like a knight). A lvl 50 DE, with 8 con would then have a life range of 364 - 400. Add in the belt, orc ammy, the boots and the cloak, and we are talking 514 - 550, thats pretty good for base con. I can't wait to see what a 15 con/18 dex or 15con/16 str DE has for life.

July 23, 2003 04:32 pm ET (#17)
Falis
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1 posts
05-21-03

just as with every other class.. things look good for now...but will be nerfed at a later time. I wouldnt quit your day job and stop your leveling on your present characters just yet

July 23, 2003 04:59 pm ET (#18)
fred
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6 posts
10-24-02

Imagine a level 60 knight -> +15 ER base - High level knights will be almost immune to arrows and magic o_o

July 23, 2003 06:23 pm ET (#19)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

The hp difference between 8 and 15 con is almost nothing, you only start seeing a difference with 16-18 con.

With ER: Elves and Dark Elves should get a ER point every 4 lvls and knights should get an ER point every 6 lvls. Knights should not have more ER than the two more nimble classes in the game.

July 23, 2003 06:46 pm ET (#20)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

Legolas that is true for existing classes, but we dont know if it carries to this class. CON is very class specifc, so it can't be said exactly what the DE "breaking point" will be. So far 90% of you have been wrong, saying DE hp will suck....

July 23, 2003 09:13 pm ET (#21)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

They have reported what I said already.

July 23, 2003 09:41 pm ET (#22)
WindElf
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16 posts
12-12-02

I agree with you Legalos4...the idea that a nimble dex elf (or dark elf) with no shield and relatively light armor is somehow bad at quickly ducking/sidestepping incoming arrows, whereas a big ol' knight wearing plate mail and carrying a heavy shield can just miraculously do this, is utterly ridiculous. It might be a nerf (or, depending on the view, bonus) to achieve balance, but it simply doesn't "fit."

Then again, nor does it fit that the same said knight in plate mail can walk faster than an elf. So speed's all messed up too. At least they fixed that aspect for the dark elf. If NC really wanted to be accurate, when they publish ep 13 elves should have their speed increased to dark elf speed.

July 23, 2003 10:03 pm ET (#23)
Firebug
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3 posts
12-08-02

Dex also has an effect on er, causing dex elves to have good er. Though, I do not think er is affected after 18 dex. I am not sure on that though.

July 23, 2003 10:12 pm ET (#24)
hilarius
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7 posts
07-23-03

its not bad

July 23, 2003 11:08 pm ET (#25)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

Legolas so it has been reported that con less than 15 for a DE is all the same? If that is the case, then their HP will be equal to a normal elf with the same con.

July 23, 2003 11:22 pm ET (#26)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

Go do the tests, 12-15 con gives the same hp range for the different classes (Knight range is 14-15), but the hp range remains constant until the con becomes 16.

July 24, 2003 02:41 am ET (#27)
DragonMaster
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21 posts
02-08-03

iam goin with sword bcuz most of the new items they will b implantin will b awsome two handed swords.... 19 str/18 dex

July 24, 2003 10:08 am ET (#28)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

I may make both claws and swords and switch between them depending on the area I am in.

July 24, 2003 01:37 pm ET (#29)
kupan787
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13 posts
10-12-02

Legolas, when you said:

They have reported what I said already.

I thoguh you meant they reported it from Korea. I go back to what I said earlier. Thats true for EXISTING classes. Until we have confirmation that it is the same for DE, we just don't know. CON is very class specific (along with WIS and CHA). What if the "breaking point" for a DE is 13?

July 24, 2003 01:47 pm ET (#30)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

They have reported from the Korean Test Server that the hp gains for a DE are the same regardless of what the con was placed at (i.e. 8-15 was the only available range).

Here is the post: http://www.lineagecompendium.com/addcomment.php?newsid=1664

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