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July 03, 2003 03:22 pm ET - research by amateras
Light and Shadow - new items
Lineage Playforum (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051004&kid=4487) spoke with some GMs which revealed 4 new classes of items, not available in Silence Cave. I combined the Silence Cave list with the new items for comparison (sorted in ascending level requirements, new items which are not sold in Silence Cave are marked with a *)

All items are Dark Elf only except the Dark and Darklight crossbows, below. All these items are 2-handed.. I'm getting the impression that Dark Elf can't use a shield..

Double Swords

  1. Copper Blades - 1000a, 6/4, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 20
  2. *Silver Blades - 8/5, 2-handed, +1 hit, Silver wt 40
  3. Strong Steel Blades - 3000a, 8/5, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 30, lvl 5+
  4. Shadow Blades - 8000a, 10/5, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 50, lvl 10+
  5. Short Blades - 20,000a, 12/6, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 60, lvl 15+
  6. *Dark Blades - 8/5, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 20, level 15+
  7. Damascus Blades - 45,000a, 14/8, 2-handed, wt 70, lvl 30+
  8. *Darklight Blades - 12/10, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 60, level 30+
  9. *Dark King Blades - 13/10, 2-handed, +2 damage, +2 hit, wt 90, level 45+

Claws

  1. Copper Claws - 2,000a, 5/5, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 30
  2. *Silver Claws - 10/9, 2-handed, +1 damage, Silver, wt 40
  3. Strong Steel Claws - 5,000a, 7/7, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 30, lvl 5+
  4. Shadow Claws - 10,000a, 10/9, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 60, lvl 10+
  5. Short Claws - 24,000a, 13/12, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 80, lvl 15+
  6. *Dark Claws - 10/9, 2-handed, +1 hit, wt 40, level 15+
  7. Damascus Claws - 50,000a, 16/14, 2-handed, wt 80, lvl 30+
  8. *Darklight Claws - 14/12, 2-handed, +2 damage, wt 60, level 30+
  9. *Dark King Claws - 16/14, 2-handed, +3 damage, wt 100, level 45+

Projectile

  1. Sting - 2a each, 10/10, wt 1 (projectile)
  2. Silver Sting - 3a each, 8/8, silver, wt 1 (projectile)
  3. Heavy Sting - 4a each, 14/14, wt 2 (projectile)
  4. Gauntlet - 10,000a, 2/2, +1 hit, wt 20 (used to launch Stings)
  5. *Dark Crossbow - 2/2, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 30, lv 15+, Elf can also use
  6. *Darklight Crossbow - 3/2, 2-handed, +2 hit, wt 80, lv 30+, Elf can also use
  7. *Dark King Crossbow - 4/3, 2-handed, +1 hit, +2 damage, wt 130, lv 45+

July 03, 2003 03:29 pm ET (#2)
FlyZ
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791 posts
11-11-01

"I'm getting the impression that Dark Elf can't use a shield.."
But they got good damage claws and 2 hits per attack and they got their dark elf spells that help their ac...

Btw.. good stuff posting so much stuff on ep1

What are the differences between blades and claws besides +hit on blades and less damage. Doesn't dark elves have high base dex to start off? o.O

Edited: Killed my comment on post #1 and added more stuff

July 03, 2003 03:42 pm ET (#4)
SkeleMage
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86 posts
10-12-02

-.- Lots of new info shesh good job lc crew

July 03, 2003 04:02 pm ET (#5)
DarkHand
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30 posts
01-10-03

this would be a fun class for some and hated for others. Yeah assassins dont use shields if they want to kill their enemy as fast as possible so it makes sense that they can't use shields.

July 03, 2003 04:04 pm ET (#6)
aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

SO MUCH STUFF!!!

BRAIN OVERLOAD!!!!!

**POW**

July 03, 2003 04:25 pm ET (#7)
Doomscythe
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1155 posts
03-21-02

I heard they might be added a fourth char slot o.O~ Is that true? I don't want to delete any of my characters ~_~
The blades sux compared to the claws!

July 03, 2003 04:27 pm ET (#8)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

Yes, there will be a forth slot added.

July 03, 2003 04:30 pm ET (#9)
Gundam01
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44 posts
10-13-02

Well on Korean Test now they DO have a 4th charcter slot! lets hope we get this update. =)

July 03, 2003 04:40 pm ET (#10)
Legolas4
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127 posts
05-31-02

CaptStrum has confirmed that we will get a forth character slot.

July 03, 2003 05:01 pm ET (#11)
Shinobii
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17 posts
06-27-03

yay! I get to be a cat!

July 03, 2003 05:05 pm ET (#12)
flexy24k
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215 posts
12-10-02

I think DE's can use shield if they're using a normal sword. Isn't there an animation for a single sword? Just not when they're using their double weapons. Do the claws hit twice too or just the double swords? I thought it was just the swords but I could be mistaken...

July 03, 2003 05:32 pm ET (#13)
steffan
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4 posts
12-06-02

i`m gonne make me one of these.
hight level dark elf they gonne rule.!!!

nice to have so much info,
well dune LC.

July 03, 2003 05:44 pm ET (#14)
Tairal
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50 posts
05-14-02

look nice.....dark king claws look relly strong
good job on the fast updates LC :)

July 03, 2003 05:48 pm ET (#15)
WindElf
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16 posts
12-12-02

I don't get it...do the crossbows fire "stings"? They must, right?

Otherwise, even the lvl 45+ crossbow is wimpier than a hunter bow...

July 03, 2003 05:52 pm ET (#16)
trouble
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58 posts
10-25-02

Dark King Claws - 16/14
TSU - 16/10

0.0

Sigh, gotta make DE and get Dark King Claws. My poor little pink elf never gonna see level 52. . .

July 03, 2003 06:04 pm ET (#17)
Kill you
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46 posts
04-09-02

i think claws are gona be 2 handed and hit only once.... There is no way NC would make it this overpowered . 16/14 +3 damage .... and if that hits twice....

and one thing that occured to me is that adding dai to a double sword is like adding 2 dai. Since it hits twice the +1 damage is counted 2 times. So +9 dark king blade = 48 damage lol

July 03, 2003 06:09 pm ET (#18)
FuTyOu
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73 posts
07-01-02

i'm thinking the blades attack faster or somthing..
and those spells... damn... too bad they only last for a few minutes and take TONS of mp...

How much does a mp does a 11 WIS lvl 45 DE have? around 95?

July 03, 2003 06:33 pm ET (#19)
Yoshiki
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667 posts
12-13-02

such good weapons.

July 03, 2003 06:43 pm ET (#20)
Taesan2003
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17 posts
03-15-03

OMG NICE

IS THAT TRUE DARK ELF GET PAYED IF THEY PK ? EACH TIME THE PK THE GET MONEY I DONT KNOW I HEAR SOMEONE SAYING THAT HE PLAYS KOREAN TEST MAYBE IS TRUE OR TRIYING TO MAKE ME EXITED

July 03, 2003 07:05 pm ET (#21)
Kyusaku
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42 posts
12-28-02

#15:No, they dont fire stings. They should fire arrows.
Stings aka Shurikin aka Throwing Stars.

July 03, 2003 07:10 pm ET (#22)
EvilAngel
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38 posts
11-04-02

omg i want de :( plzplzplz nc

question: how fast is claw? and double sword??? i wish like knight on brave o.o

July 03, 2003 07:46 pm ET (#23)
Asland
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114 posts
04-23-02

They should give some stuff to other classes since dark elf is coming out to be the strongest class at least in pvp

July 03, 2003 07:50 pm ET (#24)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

ok the blades hit twice per hit right....what about claws?

July 03, 2003 08:08 pm ET (#25)
KamiKazi
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34 posts
01-13-03

yeah do the claws hit twice? if so blades = pointless

July 03, 2003 08:33 pm ET (#26)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

i dont think they do...go back look at the animation, the blade swings 2x and claws only once...mayb claws hit a bit faster than normal sword or something...well only time will tell

July 03, 2003 09:17 pm ET (#27)
WraithFire
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54 posts
12-06-02

de can't make money to pk, that'd be so easy to exploit especially if you had 2 accs, just make a char leave him standing there and keep pk'ing him over and over and over.

July 03, 2003 09:38 pm ET (#28)
flexy24k
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215 posts
12-10-02

Good point Wraith!

Oh ya, the Gauntlet fires stings not the crossbow!! Says right there ^

July 03, 2003 11:11 pm ET (#29)
theperv
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74 posts
10-11-02

Wow, claws that weighs 100 lbs while a double edged katana is nearly 1/2 its own weight.

These black cats have big hands for their tiny bodies. How can they carry much stuff if they have so little con (to regen) and str & their items are so heavy?

I want to order size 6 claws. King size fits more for peeps like Shaq.

What large hand you have, my dearest. Better get a bigger scratching post for them than those training dummies.

The blades i can understand is heavy but how will these puny runts be able to do kung-fu with 100 lbs on their fists alone? Those are not *ss*ssin-like claws. They should be light and stealthy and not so clumsy and prominent. An *ss*ssination plot would be blotched before it can even be put into action..

July 03, 2003 11:52 pm ET (#30)
Nordian
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6 posts
10-13-02

How is that an exploit WraithFire, and why would you even want to do that? You would just be transferring money from one account to another. I think the rumor was that dark elf could be paid by one character to PK another character. There were some scrolls and such that suggested that, but if you were pking yourself then you would be paying yourself.....so whats the point. But they are assasins so it would make sense if they could be hired.

July 04, 2003 12:16 am ET (#31)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

mayb people put in peoples names that they want pked and the npc pays if you kill them?

July 04, 2003 01:33 am ET (#32)
L
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481 posts
01-16-02

i don't understand why there are so much lvl req for the items lol
there doesn't seems to be much lvl req for elf, knight, prince(ss), mage

July 04, 2003 01:45 am ET (#33)
ArthurDent
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26 posts
09-21-02

Its simple, 45k for uber items is very very unbalancing. Hell I could afford to buy my level 5 dark elf those things, if it was on US servers. Those are there to offset the fact that the items are incredibly strong (Tsu str or stronger) and the fact that they are incredibly cheap (Tsu=1 mil+ Damascus Blades=45k and hit twice) Without the lvl reqs you would have uber noobs running around PKing "high" lvl people and power lvling like mad.

P.S. Who is to say that some of the current items don't need to be rebalanced with lvl reqs. It doesn't seem fair that a person with super weapons can make a new character, give it -5x AC and a +8 weapon so they can power lvl to 40 in a week or two.

July 04, 2003 01:57 am ET (#34)
K-ZS-M
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925 posts
05-04-02

DEs can't brave up
I doubt they can use wafers or braves
they got the walking speed
but maybe their attack speed is slow

lvling a new char shouldn't be that hard
we'll probably see a lvl 40+ DE the second day when it hits live servers

July 04, 2003 03:12 am ET (#35)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

pwr lvl to 40 in a week or 2? hell i power lvld to 42 in 2 days with -47 ac and a 7 rap....

July 04, 2003 03:35 am ET (#36)
SpeedyElf
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1 posts
04-28-03

#34 they have a spell that acts like a brave so use haste pots and the spell and u got the fastest walking character and a character that can hit for uber damage really fast.. think about it

oh and can de use normal swords like bkat or rap and bows like yumi or xbow?

also another thing i counted the number of swing from the animation a while back and the double swords got 18 swings in 30 seconds (meaning 36 hits) and the claw got 24 swings in 30 seconds
therefore if you hit every single time for 30 seconds
the +0 lvl 45 sword will do 36-468/36-360
and
the +0 lvl 45 claw will do 24-384/24-336
... therefore just to let you all know the lvl 45 double sword is better than the lvl 45 claw
i forgot to take into consideration the + to damage but it is only 1 difference so i dont think it will matter to much
also the double sword gives +2 to hit and the claw doesnt give anything

July 04, 2003 04:42 am ET (#37)
flexy24k
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215 posts
12-10-02

The spell that acts like brave is only for walking speed not for attack speed...

July 04, 2003 05:15 am ET (#38)
natlswim
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148 posts
04-10-02

yes flex but they also hit much faster, even the claw, which right now i suspect to only hit once per attack, and the swords hit twice per attack, so you run up to someone at 1000000 miles per hour and hit them twice as fast as normal :-) very cool class, i think its fair too...high dmg easy to kill...fits into the rollplaying perfectly :-) will be a good fight i think vs a con knight

July 04, 2003 05:30 am ET (#39)
WizSnake
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260 posts
06-21-02

o.o speedy, if you count in the +1 to damage on the claw, it comes out to same damage against large mobs...but youll hit more with the +1 to hit on the blades, and in pvp blades r no contest, especially the dama blades...those will b my wep of choice, fairly low lvl (get within the first day or 2) and good dmg vs mobs...i would also consider the stings...14/14 + 2/2 (gauntlet) thats 16/16....dunno if thats right o.o seems a lil much for a ranged attack

July 04, 2003 12:40 pm ET (#40)
ArthurDent
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26 posts
09-21-02

WizSnake the shurikens or stings whatever you call them only have a limited range. Just for reference think about the range of the c-l spell or Fireball. That's what these sting things are going to be like. My question is this, does the sting gauntlet count as a weapon or does it count as a glove. If it's a glove you can run around with both stings and your hand to hand weapons so you piss someone off from a distance with the stings then when they go hand to hand (im assuming the opponent is a knight) you cast that dodge spell equip the double swords and let slip the dogs of asswooping.

July 04, 2003 11:30 pm ET (#41)
FlyZ
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791 posts
11-11-01

Doomscythe: Why wouldn't you know if there was a slot added since you post in everything.... o.O and no to your other post.. I'm not playing test, I'll pay when Ep 1 comes.

The high level claws wouldn't unbalance the game but instead bring them to a viable level for fighting. They would however wouldn't be able to compete with a knight in pure meleeing power (note: duels, big fights, etc..) because of their low con (de: 8, knight: 16), low initial strength (de: 12, knight: 14), and Knights have braves that would almost cancel out the de's attack speed (if the assumptions are true for 2 hits per attack). If you put all that into the equation, a Knight armed with a tsu would do far more damage over time than a de could. A knight is still far superior as a fighting class than any other classes.

Edit: Typos, stats mistakes etc.. Wow most crap i've type in a while.

July 05, 2003 08:08 pm ET (#42)
Kaiousama
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49 posts
11-19-02

Eh, i don't think knight would do FAR more damage. Blades hit TWICE per attack sequence, and if knight is on brave its only 50% faster, not 100%! DE would actually do more damage if the knight and DE had the same STR.

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