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August 13, 2003 01:23 am ET - research by Briel

STR 36 damage bonus

Lineage: The Fact (http://netcity7.web.hinet.net/UserData/actc/news/200308/20030808.html) recently posted an article about a mage who seems to have "broken" Lineage.

As many people already know, for each additional point in STR you can add, you get a damage bonus. (See STR explanation for a refresher).

A STR mage on the Taiwanese servers recently hit level 55. He has added all his points to STR, giving him a base of 25 (the maximum base). Throw in his Power Gloves (+2 STR), Amulet of Strength (+1 STR), Staff of Force (+3 STR), STR spell (+5 STR) and you have a total of 36 STR. (If he had an Ancient Giant Ring, he would have 37 STR, the theoretical maximum possible).

However, it seems he has stumbled across somewhere that the original Lineage programs never expected. When he did his damage tests, he noticed this pattern:

STR 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36

Dmg +7 +8 +8 +9 +9 +10 +11 +12 +0

That's right, at STR 36, there is no damage bonus! Looks like the NC devs didn't expect 36 STR. Hopefully this little quirk will be fixed soon. Until then, I'm sure that he won't be equipping his STR amulet. :)

August 13, 2003 01:26 am ET (#1)

Marak2OO1
Loyal Fan
4 posts
07-19-03

first post? yay...i hope NC fixes this

August 13, 2003 01:30 am ET (#2)

IntothePain
Loyal Fan
163 posts
11-01-02

well its not like a problem you will face marak ;p or maybe you will ^^

well no rush i guess~ its not like theres alot of 25str base mages...

August 13, 2003 01:32 am ET (#3)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

is it me or did u guys mix up the researcher's name with the title of the topic?

our US servers will probably never see that for a long time

so we won't worry about this problem

but +12 attack
that mage will be raping in melee combat

August 13, 2003 01:36 am ET (#4)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

ya lol if werent for softac.

August 13, 2003 01:45 am ET (#5)

natlswim
Loyal Fan
148 posts
04-10-02

soft ac doesn't effect PvP

anyways
I wish dex info was that detailed. LC's dex only goes to 26 :(

August 13, 2003 02:04 am ET (#6)

Skyblue
Loyal Fan
17 posts
05-25-03

OMG that is a one hell off strong mage!

August 13, 2003 02:05 am ET (#7)

Blahk
Loyal Fan
234 posts
02-02-02

''soft ac doesn't effect Pvp''

are you KIDDING me? the whole reason they put soft ac in, is because of mages like this guy who were owning knights so easily in duels...

August 13, 2003 02:15 am ET (#8)

Morticae
LC Reporter
103 posts
09-25-02

Excecpt that knights get damage bonus as they level. He won't be owning any 52+ knights with melee. And since he's a str mage, his int sucks too. Quite a waste of a lot of time I'd say. I'm sure he does wonderful hunting FI though.

August 13, 2003 02:22 am ET (#9)

CuteLady
Loyal Fan
64 posts
10-12-02

Lol I feel sad for this mage. Hope NC fix it soon for him.

August 13, 2003 05:27 am ET (#10)

Haleft
Loyal Fan
53 posts
10-18-02

on a 1vs1 any 20 INT mage can defeat any knight using magics, no matter if soft ac makes the mage weak...
para+icelance+SOMEcallLightnings=end ^^

August 13, 2003 05:46 am ET (#11)

Linny
Loyal Fan
166 posts
05-01-02

hmmm i still have my lvl 48 20str mage, dunno if i'll try to reach 50+ and if i'll add all to str or int

August 13, 2003 07:33 am ET (#12)

Nitrogun
Loyal Fan
229 posts
03-17-02

Haleft, its funny you say that. I bet you dont have a 20INT mage. And if you do, you never dueled a lvl 52+ Knight. If I wear full ac I end in like 5-6sec, trying to do some magic on him ,but 2 bad he has a MR set.

Anyways mages are build to do magic not to act like knights, So i say, just leave it this way.

August 13, 2003 07:46 am ET (#13)

Yoshiki
Loyal Fan
667 posts
12-13-02

U dont end in 5-6sec cuz ur first action its cancel knight

August 13, 2003 08:21 am ET (#14)

mshah2k
Loyal Fan
58 posts
12-05-02

Imagine 20 str on LOA with this...

NO SOFT AC
NO DAMAGE BONUS
DK MORPH
MORE AC ITEMS FOR MAGE

= TOTAL AND COMPLETE PWNAGE

August 13, 2003 09:15 am ET (#15)

Yammie
Loyal Fan
213 posts
11-14-01

isnt 38 str the max with 2 of those rings?

August 13, 2003 09:39 am ET (#16)

mshah2k
Loyal Fan
58 posts
12-05-02

WIth the new elixirs he can have high int as well.

August 13, 2003 10:01 am ET (#17)

cabroa-style
Loyal Fan
45 posts
10-07-02

amer? or briel or whoever?
"As many people already know, for each additional point in STR you can add, you get a damage bonus. (See STR explanation for a refresher)."
how does that fit to ur str explanations?
btw how safe is the point that for example str 11 and str 12 make no difference in dmg?
no critizism, just a question

August 13, 2003 10:03 am ET (#18)

Opethal
Loyal Fan
58 posts
10-22-01

Ancient giant ring is a belt.

August 13, 2003 10:07 am ET (#19)

irishmafia
Loyal Fan
4 posts
07-20-03

how could someone get enough money to plus there strength up to that high?

August 13, 2003 10:30 am ET (#20)

thibz
Loyal Fan
34 posts
12-02-02

Hmmmmm what u guys talkin about a 20 str mage owns a knight any time.....

use v-t with ur melee attack...

and use som so u can get a few more v-t....

by the time u dont have anymore m-p th3 knight will have used 50 ojs and the mage will still have his 180 ojs pots rdy to take....

Imagine - Loa
LadySummoner - LoA

August 13, 2003 10:45 am ET (#21)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

I dun think that is right.
Str only takes effect for ever 2 strenght you have.

This was proven in earlier damage tests.

ALSO, it is a KNOWN fact that str ONLY effects how much weight you carry every 2 str.

So I'm thinking that for every 2 strenght you get, you will get +1 increase in damage. It sounds more logical if your str is low as in 10-12.

August 13, 2003 11:03 am ET (#22)

dafish
Loyal Fan
176 posts
11-17-01

actually i think str to dmg bonus is same as mage to knight. but soft ac makes diff. but i still say pvp str mage has advantage. lets say a pk 30+ str mage use Ettins + Para + SOM... essentially none stop pk...

August 13, 2003 11:06 am ET (#23)

Elric
Loyal Fan
337 posts
10-29-02

yammie, in fact those "rings" are a belt... they're ring for giants... belt for humans zz

August 13, 2003 11:24 am ET (#24)

marak2001
Loyal Fan
105 posts
07-14-02

I like the new str chart if we also have it. Str bonus will help alot :)

August 13, 2003 11:28 am ET (#25)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

do u guys know why everything's max enchant is +127?
when it's beyond that, it's going to -1
every1 should expect that there is a limit to everything
NC's expectations didn't include some 25str mage, I guess that's their carelessness, but that's just something that is
NC can't fix this, cuz it means changing their whole game's programming

and, if play right, 20str mage can own a knight, given that mage can use magic
it's pretty tough for knights when the mage can cancel him,steal his mp,cast heal for himself, and occationally cast atk magic.

August 13, 2003 11:42 am ET (#26)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

well then the knight can pump reds..

but then all the mage needs to do is para the knight

can't really compare

August 13, 2003 11:49 am ET (#27)

phil
Loyal Fan
147 posts
04-05-02

No soft ac does not affect pvp.... wth do people keep saying that it does? every time there is a discussion, someone always brings up soft ac..... IT DOES NOT AFFECT PvP!
NC SAID IT THEMSELVES. Im just too lazy to look for link -0-

August 13, 2003 12:18 pm ET (#28)

Yammie
Loyal Fan
213 posts
11-14-01

oh yeah..

August 13, 2003 12:38 pm ET (#29)

Shinoda
Loyal Fan
66 posts
03-17-03

why do people say 1st post.. they dont get a medal OR a cookie... we KNOW its the first post... its at the top of the list... it also has a #1 on the right, ya know...

#19 since when can you buy stats? The stats were gotten from str ammy, sof, p-g, str spell, and levelup points past 50.

August 13, 2003 01:19 pm ET (#30)

SplutterFish
Loyal Fan
23 posts
10-11-02

Hmm mages are cool.. but i came to a conclusion, what if a mage tamed 1 of each Dragon and sayd NOW Lets to PK.. would not be any fun.. coz if the little mage then do /who it would prolly say Players Online: 1

;) a bad joke waiting for server to open,,...

August 13, 2003 01:40 pm ET (#31)

Race
Loyal Fan
17 posts
10-11-02

+1 dmg bonus for every str after 18 so if u have a 20 str knight it gets +2 dmg more then a 18 str knight

i think it is the same for mages but im not sure

August 13, 2003 02:00 pm ET (#32)

cabroa-style
Loyal Fan
45 posts
10-07-02

race
where do u know that from
LC says its +1 dmg every 2 str points
how u come to this conclusion?

August 13, 2003 02:01 pm ET (#33)

cabroa-style
Loyal Fan
45 posts
10-07-02

race
where do u know that from
LC says its +1 dmg every 2 str points
how u come to this conclusion?

August 13, 2003 02:24 pm ET (#34)

DontSuckOut
Loyal Fan
67 posts
02-15-02

this mage must own. str mages are easiest to lvl up and he must have like +10 or 11 sof at least and he does CRAZY damage. not like a +11tsu or anything but still that mage rocks. Str mages are very good to have. now its him doing alot of damage, and 2 ettins or even dire wolves. i dunno if any dk can stop that.. probably but it still hurt alot.

August 13, 2003 02:54 pm ET (#35)

TrendKill
Loyal Fan
94 posts
10-23-02

I believe you can only go to +127 or -127 because the type of variable they used for the enchantment level can only have 255 different states (0 counts).

There are different types of number variables. (Integer, whole, etc.)

That is also the reason why 32767 is "max law". It's all about the way the variable was declared in the coding.

August 13, 2003 03:02 pm ET (#36)

Liadon
Loyal Fan
5 posts
06-04-03

Trend beat me to it, but redpig is probably right. I dont' expect they will ever fix this...

August 13, 2003 03:20 pm ET (#37)

TrendKill
Loyal Fan
94 posts
10-23-02

-.-

August 13, 2003 04:01 pm ET (#38)

87
Loyal Fan
444 posts
11-28-02

when you play a str mage u mage to think of yourself as a mage that does good dmg in melee

you do not run around thinking you're a knight....

you CAN still use spells, your mb will be low, your sb may be *2 points lower*, but you can still use magic...

kurei3 on ken just hit 52... he is 20str, 14 dex, 18 con (rolled god str mage stats o.o)

August 13, 2003 04:01 pm ET (#39)

b0ts
Loyal Fan
72 posts
01-02-03

hmmmm "GG" hahahahahhaha poor guy ... i guess =[

August 13, 2003 04:43 pm ET (#40)

Murond
Loyal Fan
78 posts
02-06-02

dk knights don't stay dk's for too long around lvl 55 mages....doesn't matter if it's str mage or not. add to that the decay potion spell which he more than likely has, and boom. pwned knight.

August 13, 2003 05:37 pm ET (#41)

TheCollector
Loyal Fan
351 posts
09-07-02

sorry OT can anybody access the lin boards (official?). i only have the frontpage bookmarked and their menu bar is gone to get to boards/linweb/etc. T_T

August 13, 2003 07:21 pm ET (#42)

Crezno
Loyal Fan
4 posts
10-11-02

Yea id like to see a knight pump reds with decay pot, and i d like to see a knight do damage when getting weapon break 10times...

August 13, 2003 07:52 pm ET (#43)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

lol yea then the mage has no more mp and hp zzz and in fights a mage getting 2v1 ends easy decaypot or not even if u decaypot both of the knights thier combined forces end u fast. only savior is freeze.

August 13, 2003 08:12 pm ET (#44)

TheCollector
Loyal Fan
351 posts
09-07-02

besides crezno if that mage is 20 str 18 con and 14 dex or whatever, decay pot would almost never work.

August 14, 2003 01:34 am ET (#45)

Genesis
Loyal Fan
19 posts
07-21-03

#38 you babo kurei3 is a girl not a guy

August 14, 2003 03:22 am ET (#46)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

#44
that depends on the knights' mr, there is still a possibility that decay pots will work, but just lower than int mages'

I doubt NC aticipated str mages; why r the states that seperated by strenth,dexerity,intellegence,charmisa? the original casts of lineage is knight(strength),elf(dexerity),mage(intellegence), and prince/ss(charisma)
con and wis inflects the hp, mp
those were the original intends for the game
but as players explore the possibilities, ppl start to do cross stat chars, I doubt NC liked that, that's why the soft ac, dex/ac bonus, mr base on wis and char types, and hits,damages bonus awards to only certain types of chars. it's to weaking cross state chars and strengthen intended chars.

it's not saying u can't do a cross stat char: str elf,str knight,str prince,dex knight,cha mage, con elf, cha elf, the only big limitation I see is knight, but they only know how to chop, so it's pointless to cross it.

but NC is trying to shape things the way they want it to be: int mage, dex elf, str/con knight, cha/con prince.

theoradically, same lvl int mage vs same lvl str knight, mage can win, if play right, that's why NC is not implimenting all mage spells, cuz if just 10 mages get to hold of somethign like meteor and go around pking together, then the server will b no1 left but them 10

but str mage can still win a knight, 1v1 that is, cuz u r gonna use all ur mp by the end of the fight or that the knight will venz or something.
the things about str mage using mp is not so much as an atk, but using heals and trying to para/freeze=P

August 14, 2003 01:09 pm ET (#47)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

para/freeze would be useless knight just autoboot cancel,slow,wb and using his sof after for dmg would work best or just mp for heals.

August 14, 2003 02:48 pm ET (#48)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

well obviously if u gonna boot urself out, then there is no way of beating anyone or letting anyone beat u, but it doesn't look that good on the knight's hehave, we are talking about fighting with no hack,autoboot, auto pump pots, auto venz

para/freeze is mage's best close up weapon against knights.

August 14, 2003 03:26 pm ET (#49)

Chong
Loyal Fan
21 posts
11-11-02

Guys a knight with great MR can hardly be para, even by 20 int mage. So dont say that any mage can own a knight =).

August 14, 2003 10:59 pm ET (#50)

87
Loyal Fan
444 posts
11-28-02

nerf mr sets!@!!

i'm betting NC will have to change this str bug...

and i know exactly how they will do it!

+9 Staff of Strength
9+9/9+9
Damage Bonus +5
STR +1
SP -2

T_T.......

August 15, 2003 09:35 am ET (#51)

ToothpasteOWNZ
Loyal Fan
2 posts
08-15-03

does anyone find it odd that a Mage of all characters can have the highest STR possible. I think NC needs to add more Knight STR items, (like: Red Knight Set: -4ac bonus, +50hp, +3str) ^^

August 16, 2003 12:28 am ET (#52)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

this not something that NC can just "fix" it's the coding of the stat system

ofcuz NC didn't expect that-_-;
NC expected the classes to play its own type of stat, not crossing

isn't it kinda clear why mage can get upto 10,11 str enchant and has 8base str?
so u can get 18,19str, which means u can hit decently, it didn't meant for a mage to chose 20base str and get 30str, without soft ac, hit bonuses, str mage owns knight

would it make sense to anyone that a geek can out bench press a body builder?

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