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February 18, 2003 04:21 pm ET - research by amateras

Episode 12 tidbits from Korean Live servers

Lineage Playforum reports http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051003&kid=1847 that it looks like there are some Elven Magic delays on the Korean Live servers with the new Episode. It's unclear if its a bug or if its a new balance adjustment, but for some reason the delay after casting Blood to Soul and Nature's Touch is about 20 seconds. Elves find that they can't cast anything (including teleport!) within 20 seconds of casting those spells. Teleport home scrolls still work, but any magic isn't working. Hopefully this will be patched ASAP.

Another bug reported at http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051003&kid=1854 is that Earth Skin is not disappearing when elves change lines from Earth to Water. It looks like Earth elves go to Ivory Tower 2f, say they want to change to water, and Earth Skin isn't erased - they can even learn Nature's Touch and have a water elemental, while still retaining Earth Skin. This is likely a bug that will be fixed before Episode 12 gets released to the US.

Finally, a word about the doberman vs. husky tests at http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051021&kid=3534 that jailrune pointed to a few days ago. A few users on the Korean live servers did some duels between a level 12 husky (82HP) and a level 12 doberman (69HP). The husky won with 2HP, 32HP and 20HP. However, when they did tests on lizardmen, the doberman could kill the lizardman faster than the husky could. So, looks like the doberman is still the hunting champion. Kind of sounds like the CON knight vs. STR knight debate.

February 18, 2003 04:27 pm ET (#2)

PebDiGaetano
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-12-02

.... isn't there supose to be a delay in casting those spells??

February 18, 2003 04:28 pm ET (#3)

Asland
Loyal Fan
114 posts
04-23-02

I really hope that delay is a bug and not a feature O.O

February 18, 2003 04:28 pm ET (#4)

Forsaken
Loyal Fan
87 posts
12-14-02

NT already had a huge delay. But b2s only like 5 secs or so. :/
And you can cast offensive magic while in the delay.

February 18, 2003 04:32 pm ET (#5)

Taera
LC Reporter
333 posts
01-30-02

the doberman/husky thing seems to depend on whether you plan to hunt in a place where the MOP are dks. If I was going antcaves/dark elf hunting I'd bring a husky, thats for sure!

February 18, 2003 06:35 pm ET (#6)

Kyusaku
Loyal Fan
42 posts
12-28-02

b2s has an 8 sec delay, NT has a 20-24sec delay currently

February 18, 2003 06:46 pm ET (#7)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

"...that Earth Skin is not disappearing when elves change lines from Earth to Water. It looks like Earth elves go to Ivory Tower 2f, say they want to change to water, and Earth Skin isn't erased - they can even learn Nature's Touch and have a water elemental, while still retaining Earth Skin."

abuse abuse abuse! o.O...

buy earth skin crystal and nature's touch crystal! lol

February 18, 2003 06:51 pm ET (#8)

tamashii
Loyal Fan
77 posts
02-03-03

The doberman/husky debate is going to be around for awhile. It looks like dobermans are still the big biters for the most part because of speed. It kinda seemed that the husky was doing more damage, but they might actually be even in biting power and therefore the Doberman might be a bit faster making it better for some hunting. This is almost similar to the AC vs. Damage debate. If you can kill something really fast, why do u need a lot of armor? On the other hand, if you are up against something that smacks u for more damage than u can dish out, then some hefty AC would come in handy. If the dogs are relatively even in biting power, I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of speed for the extra hitpoints.

-t

February 18, 2003 07:00 pm ET (#9)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Doberman is a hair faster and bites harder. Husky has more HP, possibly more DEX and AC.

February 18, 2003 07:07 pm ET (#10)

Mailan
Loyal Fan
79 posts
10-13-02

That earth skin/water thing has been there for a while. Everyone just thinks I always change my line every 30 seconds I guess, when they see me earth someone, come back after my hunt and water myself ^^:;

And why are you complaining about the extra time on the Natures Touch/B2S combo? Its about damn time they changed that. I could hunt forever on my elf w/sword and water. Thats just wayy too powerful.

February 18, 2003 07:23 pm ET (#11)

TheCollector
Loyal Fan
351 posts
09-07-02

yeah i know elf finally got an advantage in something time to take it away~ <g>

February 18, 2003 07:32 pm ET (#12)

Rincewind
Loyal Fan
279 posts
02-12-02

Damn...uber elves lol.

Interesting about the Huskies.

February 18, 2003 07:36 pm ET (#13)

Septonian
Loyal Fan
93 posts
10-29-01

I noticed there was like a 5-10 seconds delay before being able to cast another spell, after casting Resist Elemental... I have no explanation as of why.

February 18, 2003 08:55 pm ET (#14)

XsilverleafX
Loyal Fan
1 posts
11-05-02

Is that delay just when using the NT and B2S combo, or is there going to be a 20 second delay after casting just B2S, if so that blows...good luck to elfs now, they come close to being as good as knights, that means its past due to nerf them -.-

February 18, 2003 08:58 pm ET (#15)

Kyusaku
Loyal Fan
42 posts
12-28-02

gonna be so pathetic if its after b2s as well T_T i use that spell all the time

February 18, 2003 09:15 pm ET (#16)

Solnac
Loyal Fan
113 posts
10-25-01

That would suck if they keep it like that, B2S is one of the best things to happen to elves. And it isn't even that it makes them superior to even knights, because it doesn't. Knights are still the strongest. And did anyone go and look at Lineage Playforunms thing on the dogs? They have pictures of the different kinds of dogs at the end. It is kinda funny. Anywho.

Solnac out.

February 18, 2003 10:25 pm ET (#17)

Legolas4
Loyal Fan
127 posts
05-31-02

The current b2s delay is 5-7 secs and the NT delay is about 15 secs...increasing the b2s depay from 5-7 secs to 20 secs (10 secs is more reasonable) is utterly stupid. That means ppl will just cast b2m and screw b2s because the delay is too hazardous. The NT delay was plenty, 15 secs was still enough time for my elf to take a beating and still come close to death when fighting a group of mops. NC needs to stop nerfing classes and start upgrading classes, like give mages a spell that regenerates mp like b2s and b2m do. Be sure to make that spell beyond lvl 6 so elves cannot use it too.

NC needs to take a chill pill and actually upgrade the mage class and prince(ss) class they are far overdue. Leave the knights where they are, they are and will be the strongest melee class in the game.

This nerfing of a perfectly good spell reminds me of the COI delay of 6 secs...Wonder which arse they pulled this idea out of.

February 18, 2003 10:37 pm ET (#18)

sisyphus
Loyal Fan
56 posts
05-03-02

I did my own tests on Husky vs Doberman

This is what my husky looked like after the fight

http://www.kaymanism.com/personal/sasha.jpg

I think that doberman was finger lickin good...I of course will redo my elf to be a charisma elf so I can have an insane amount of huskies and RULE THE WORLD...sorry Cobra...its just so!

February 18, 2003 10:45 pm ET (#19)

Oukami
Loyal Fan
6 posts
11-27-01

Ok, for me two questions on the Husky.

1. Where do you find them? Are they located anywhere normal dogs are, or is there a specific place you have to go to to find them.

2. What do you use to tame them? Regular Meat like Beagles/Sheps/Wolfs or Floating Eye Meat like Dobs?

Oukami

February 18, 2003 11:28 pm ET (#20)

DarkBlade
Loyal Fan
posts
01-12-03

i see b2s prices going down ~_~

February 18, 2003 11:28 pm ET (#21)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

b2s... danm it suck for elf

February 19, 2003 01:58 am ET (#22)

WindElf
Loyal Fan
16 posts
12-12-02

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!

Go check out the playform screen shots for the e-skin/nt deal. Okay, clearly a bug, no doubt it will be fixed asap.

But on those screen shots, did you see all the spell icons? That person had the spell "Return to Nature." I was 99.99% sure that that spell did not exist in the game (because it was "unbalancing." Is it on Korean servers but not ours? Or does it exist on ours just really, really rare? Anyone know?

February 19, 2003 02:49 am ET (#23)

zendorien
Loyal Fan
12 posts
02-01-03

in real life..huskies are the ultimate dogs of all time!!!! ummm....yeah..i dont play lineage anymore IM FREEEE!!! o.o;;;

February 19, 2003 03:16 am ET (#24)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

where exactly r huskies located?
and how u tame them?
with meat or floating eye meat?

I can live with a delay on b2s
but not being able to cast any attack spells or teleportation is evil!!!

February 19, 2003 06:51 am ET (#25)

ikaris
Loyal Fan
37 posts
11-01-02

You can find huskies far east of Oren. Open up
the Oren map and walk east until you're at the
very edge of the map. Thats where you will find
lots and lots of huskies. And you tame them with
regular meat.

Seems like everyday, NC sits on their lazy ass
and think of ways to make elf/mage/prince(ss)
class worst and knights better. Its like they
want everyone to play knight only.
Whats so fun about knight NC?
Swing, use pot, swing, use pot, swing, use pot, venze o.0
How pathetic...
But yet seems like 90% of players on Test uses knight
because no other class can stand up against knight.
How often do anybody see a char reaching lvl 50 or 52
and isnt a knight. Very few.
What NC needs to do is make a new weapon for all classes
besides knight that does damage close to the freakin TSU.
But I dont see that happening cuz NC dont ever read this
crap, and that they dont care what players think...
All I have to say is, NC make me not want to play Lineage.
Because I dont wanna become a loser and play knight.
Its just not fun lvling a mage/elf/prince(ss) and along
come a knight hits you 5 times in one second and you have
to venz or you die.
NC SUCK!!!

Sincerely,
Pissed off elf

February 19, 2003 12:53 pm ET (#26)

noble
Loyal Fan
7 posts
11-28-02

NC :
go ahead and put a delay on b2s
you're just suggesting we all be knights..
wheres the fun in that?
any old players know elfs are not what they used to be...

February 19, 2003 02:03 pm ET (#27)

Surrec
Loyal Fan
posts
01-18-03

Well I hope that the 20second b2s delay is just a bug.
Knight was extremely boring to me and if I didn't try
out elf then I would have quit playing because there
is no fun in just swinging and pumping pots for me

February 19, 2003 02:06 pm ET (#28)

NordicGlory
Loyal Fan
77 posts
05-14-02

Nerf b2s to the ground, it will once again put mages closer to the throne when it comes to magic, like it should be.

February 19, 2003 02:21 pm ET (#29)

XsilverleafX
Loyal Fan
1 posts
11-05-02

lol #28 said putting mages to the throne thats funny...lol...unless your a knight your throne is going to be in some dank basement.
Sry im not a knight NC, let me bend over an pick up that soap for you.

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