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February 10, 2003 05:48 pm ET - research by amateras

Episode 12: Alliance System

Lineage - Korea provided some details on how alliance rankings will work (https://bbs.lineage.co.kr/lineage/new_announcement/pre_lin_contents/read.asp?ListNum=24&PageNum=1).

There are two levels of pledge chat available in an alliance. First, there is elite chat (%) and an alliance chat (@). Elite chat can only be used by the alliance prince and any members that the alliance members specifically designates as elite.

Regular members can only communicate on alliance chat (@). They cannot see elite chat at all. Both regular and elite members can access the alliance storage.

New members can hear alliance chat (@), but cannot speak on it. They can also not access alliance storage.

You may be wondering, what happens to pledge chat when a pledge joins an alliance? Well, based on this system, when a pledge joins an alliance, the pledge completely dissolves. Pledge chat does not exist in an alliance -- there is only elite alliance chat and regular alliance chat. In fact, if the prince leaves the alliance, all his members still in the alliance.

From this we can see who alliance is meant for. Alliance has great appeal to pledges with multiple divisions with dummy princes only there to hold more members -- most large pledges end up doing this and naming their divisions in a similar way (Pledge, PledgeElite, PledgeNewbies). This should be great for them, as only one prince is needed to hold these people together and no need to level up a fake prince to 25, just so he can declare war.

However, it seems very undesirable when two separate, unique and strong pledges just want to work together.

February 10, 2003 05:52 pm ET (#2)

Forge
LC Reporter
150 posts
12-12-01

so there is no more pledge chat?
if the pledge dissolves do they lose their emblem or take on the alliance leaders' emblem?

February 10, 2003 06:01 pm ET (#3)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

There is pledge chat for regular pledges, but in an alliance, there is no subdivision except the ranking. So, if your pledge joins an alliance, it's pretty much gone.

I would assume that if a pledge joined an alliance, it would take the alliance emblem.

February 10, 2003 06:05 pm ET (#4)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

How about some info on the new trading system please ^_^

February 10, 2003 06:07 pm ET (#5)

QueenNina
Loyal Fan
197 posts
10-31-01

I like it, it will help out my pledges on LoA alot. At the moment we are having trouble sorting out our pledge.

February 10, 2003 06:13 pm ET (#6)

Rincewind
Loyal Fan
279 posts
02-12-02

Hmmmm, interesting.

February 10, 2003 06:15 pm ET (#7)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

why dont they just increase the amount of members you can have? save all the confusion.

February 10, 2003 06:15 pm ET (#8)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

You know, there's been no mention of the trade system -- they may have pushed it back so that Episode 12 could be published in a timely fashion.

February 10, 2003 06:49 pm ET (#9)

QueenNina
Loyal Fan
197 posts
10-31-01

Do you know if you have to have seperate accounts for the princes/sses? What if you have two princess and want to combine your two pledges, do they need to be both on at once? Can I invite one while the other is off? Need more info~! ^_^

February 10, 2003 07:05 pm ET (#10)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

Darn :(

February 10, 2003 07:27 pm ET (#11)

KOE
Loyal Fan
43 posts
10-03-01

Hmmm, well marak im sure can do the quest and form his on alliance. So now he can have cha x 10 members? LOL

February 10, 2003 07:27 pm ET (#12)

IntothePain
Loyal Fan
163 posts
11-01-02

alliance = 1 big fat pledge -.-;; umm nice

February 10, 2003 07:30 pm ET (#13)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

dep
episode 12
age of mafia

it's gonna hurt...

February 10, 2003 08:40 pm ET (#14)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

So you have to be in a pledge for a while to speak on pledge chat?

February 10, 2003 08:58 pm ET (#15)

tamashii
Loyal Fan
77 posts
02-03-03

I agree with Doomscythe - what designates a New Pledge Member?
As for one big fat BP when making an alliance - I actually like the subpledges that get created from overflow of members. The different emblems signify position and the particular branch. If the only thing we are gaining is the ability to chat privately amongst all BPs in a given alliance, then I don't think creating an alliance is really worth losing some of the methodology some people have already adopted. It would have been better to have some other way to represent an alliance as well as have a separate alliance chat from the Pledge chat instead of just having it replace the latter.

Now I agree that having several BPs unified into one entity can have its advantages in that wars and sieges could be more easily coordinated. And perhaps the same emblem would allow people to immediately distinguish their allies. But overall, it seems they were a bit hasty in making the system.

Even the mafia had separate families working together without losing their individuality.

-t

February 10, 2003 09:30 pm ET (#16)

marak2001
Loyal Fan
105 posts
07-14-02

That alliance pledge going to be fun o.0 200+ members be interesting but be hard to chat lol, with so many who can talk eheh. But i like it o.0.

February 10, 2003 09:43 pm ET (#17)

IntothePain
Loyal Fan
163 posts
11-01-02

hmm what i don't get is... how is sieges going to work out? if the alliance pledge owns lets say giran. which prince has to siege another castle? how does it all work out??

February 10, 2003 10:09 pm ET (#18)

Fishstik
Loyal Fan
97 posts
04-24-02

i hate this idea..y can't they leave lineage just the way it is...it was soo much funner back in the day when u could dbl-pump and stuff.
now..they're getting all these alliances, town registration, and 1-hit-kill attacks on mops, i personally think they're overdoing it.

y'all agree?

February 11, 2003 02:42 am ET (#19)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

" it seems very undesirable when two separate, unique and strong pledges just want to work together."
funny, i thought that would be the whole point the alliance system.

February 11, 2003 04:15 pm ET (#20)

Mackdown
Loyal Fan
175 posts
06-06-02

will there be a /alliancechat off? zzzzzzzzz
some pledges have chats that make you wish there was a /pledgechat off command

February 11, 2003 06:58 pm ET (#21)

Azbel
Loyal Fan
3 posts
06-28-02

Can someone that reads korean oor knows someone over there get more information on this?
It seems to me it will be a nice thing in certain situations but not the thing for all pledge alliances. But some significant details are still missing.

Does the entire alliance have the same logo? (the main prince's logo)
Do the 'sub princes' that join retain any prince controls? can they recruit? can they title? can they ban?
Is there any point to being a sub prince in an alliance or do you just become a 'general' with soft AC and poor stats.
To what degree is this a 'super pledge' controlled by one prince instead of a group of pledges?
Are you serious that when a prince leaves all his people stay in the alliance??? Is there any way to split an alliance back up? Does the lead prince have to do it or can he only disband? (that would not be good....)
The number of members is 6 times the main prince's charisma? so what happens if you try to join as a prince with a few to many people? you have to ban some of them?
What happens if one of the prince's owns a house? Does have have to sell it? does the entire alliance get access or only 'his people'?
Dito with castles? I assume the main prince declares war for the entire alliance... is that right? That implies that no 'sub princes' can own houses. Is that correct?
If they win, the whole alliance gets to use the castle? Can the Call Pledge spell bring in anyone from the entire alliance or only the members that where originaly in his pledge?
Do only 'his people' see the True Target?
Can you caste dex and str on members of other alliance pledges?
Are we going to have to wait and experament to figure all this out?
I would like to know before I try to take that quest that involves getting members killed. (dang, going to have to pay them off)

February 11, 2003 07:38 pm ET (#22)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

Azbel i've been wondering all those things too. We need a big ol' alliance FAQ from NC. :)

February 11, 2003 10:05 pm ET (#23)

Mailan
Loyal Fan
79 posts
10-13-02

Azbel, if you need to pay off your pledge members just to get them to help you with your quest, I think you may need to review your list of members...

@ lvl 45, 13% isn't much XP at all...

Anyway, you do bring up some good points. I think that the alliance system still has a few problems that need to be worked out. Pretty much what I was expecting was just a big group of princes, who all have their own emblems and pledges and stuff, just have an allied chat and a few allied commands. Such as the allied leader can ban anyone, regardless of pledge or whatever, and if one pledge seiges, all of the pledges in the alliance are at war with the other pledge. I wasn't really expecting it to become a whole new pledge type thing...

February 12, 2003 05:11 pm ET (#24)

Prince Drathen
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-04-02

It's too bad there's only about a dozen full-time Princes on each server, and by full-time, I mean, your main character, and your highest level. Fake Princes get out.

Azbel, some of your questions can be answered using common sense. No, the entire Pledge will not have the same emblem, as long as the sub-princes stick around. They can title, and they can ban members in their respective Pledges. No, there's no extra bonus. You get the pleasure of being in a big Pledge and making alot of friends. Why should there be a bonus? A Prince is meant to be weak for a reason. The full alliance is probably controlled by the individual members, but the main Prince declares wars and sieges, as well as who's Elite and whatnot. Yes, when you want to split the alliance up, you ask your members to leave. If they want to go with you, they will. If they want to stay they'll stay. Simple. If you try to join and you have too many, or too few members, it will say no. I would guess only the Pledge owning the house can use it. The entire alliance however, will own castles. Call Pledge will only work for original members. Everyone in the alliance will see True Target. Yes, it's safe to say you'll be able to Dex members of the alliance. You can haste anyone, reguardless.

February 12, 2003 07:46 pm ET (#25)

Azbel
Loyal Fan
3 posts
06-28-02

That is all nice info but where did you get it? I can make stuff up that 'makes sense' also but that will not change what really happens. Most of what you said makes sense and is likly true but I want to hear about it from a source that knows something. Bonus? No one said anything about a bonus. It took me a heck of a long time to get my charisma prince to lvl 45 and that is how it should be. All the pledges can't own the castle... where would the 'house pledge people go when they escape? the castle? but they would still own the house? I assume the prince will keep the house even if people no longer escape to there and if he leaves he still has the house. But I would not bet money that NC did not do something different.
There are still more questions to ask. Can the main prince recruit more than his normal amount after he makes an alliance? Do prince's get capped by their recruiting after they join a mostly full alliance? is everyone in a joining pledge made a member of the alliance or does the head prince aprove each one?Does '/who' tell what alliance a person is in?

If all you are going to do is tell me what your 'common sense' dictates, save yourself the time and don't bother. My imagination works just as good but I want facts.

February 12, 2003 07:58 pm ET (#26)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Okay, here are my answers to your question based on what we have read, as well as assumptions I am making (I marked the assumptions as "I assume.."):

> Does the entire alliance have the same logo? (the main prince's logo)
Yes - the old pledge is "merged" into the new pledge.

> Do the 'sub princes' that join retain any prince controls? can they recruit?
> can they title? can they ban?
No, no, no and no. They are just regular members. They don't even have access to the elite chat unless the alliance prince specifies it.

> Is there any point to being a sub prince in an alliance or do you just become a
> 'general' with soft AC and poor stats.
Exactly.

> To what degree is this a 'super pledge' controlled by one prince instead of a
> group of pledges?
100% controlled by one prince.

> Are you serious that when a prince leaves all his people stay in the
> alliance??? Is there any way to split an alliance back up? Does the lead prince
> have to do it or can he only disband? (that would not be good....)
Yes, we're serious. You can't unmerge the alliance unless each individual old pledge member leaves and joins the prince.

> The number of members is 6 times the main prince's charisma? so what happens if
> you try to join as a prince with a few to many people? you have to ban some of
> them?
Hmm.. good question, we haven't seen this answer.

> What happens if one of the prince's owns a house? Does have have to sell it?
> does the entire alliance get access or only 'his people'?
Not sure here. This was a question posed by one of the articles and never addressed.

> Dito with castles? I assume the main prince declares war for the entire
> alliance... is that right? That implies that no 'sub princes' can own houses.
> Is that correct?
Again, no specific information on this one.

> If they win, the whole alliance gets to use the castle? Can the Call Pledge
> spell bring in anyone from the entire alliance or only the members that where
> originaly in his pledge?
I'm assuming here yes and yes.

> Do only 'his people' see the True Target?
Again, an assumption, yes.

> Can you caste dex and str on members of other alliance pledges?
Assumption: yes.

> Are we going to have to wait and experament to figure all this out?
I hope NC - Austin tells us. Post something on the forums and hopefully they will answer. We'll do our best to get these answered via experimentation if they don't answer before it is published.

> I would like to know before I try to take that quest that involves getting
> members killed. (dang, going to have to pay them off)
Well, if you are the alliance prince, you have the upper hand. This system sucks for small pledges that are not dummy pledges to hold extra members.

BTW, lots of people have been complaining about how the joining pledge is decimated by joining an alliance, but I think that the text "PledgeA has merged with PledgeB" is telling of the intent of alliance. It says "merged" not "allied with".

February 12, 2003 08:01 pm ET (#27)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Oh and we *do* know the answer to:

> where would the 'house pledge people go when they escape? the castle?

All alliance members would escape to the castle.

February 12, 2003 09:35 pm ET (#28)

SaphireBlue
Loyal Fan
55 posts
10-12-02

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