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July 24, 2002 01:52 am ET - research by Briel
Sayha's Bow
Briel of HK Lineage was able to test the Sayha's Bow and has some observations. Thanks Briel!!

On 21st of July there is a Lineage Cosplay Competition in Hong Kong. There is a PvP match involved of bloodpledge leaders, webmasters and the cosplayers with the new items (such as +7 DK Set, +7 Demon Set, +7 non-elven armor, +9 elven armor, +11 weapons, ogre and titan belt). We are very happy to have a chance to try some of the new items in the Oren Test Server. +11 Sayha's Bow: 4/4, two-handed, elf class only, no damage bonus, no hit bonus. If you do not carry any arrows, it will shot magic arrows that look the same as energy bolt (it does not consume any MP). After we have tried this bow, our conclusion is: rubbish. Lv48 elf with 20 dex only hit about 20-25hp with this bow and the magic arrows, and the magic arrows would miss! This bow would hit lesser if you magic arrows instead of physical arrows. As this bow does not have damage nor hit bonus, it hit lesser than the same level (+11) crossbow or yumi not matter you have arrows or not! We believed that it would harder to get a +7 Sayha's Bow than a +9 yumi, however +9 yumi would hit about 4.5 damage more on average than a +7 Sayha's bow. So Sayha's Bow is something to show off only.

Video of Sayha's Bow in action:
Sayha's Bow (192k - Windows Media - US East)
[coming soon] (192k - MPEG - US East)
Sayha's Bow (192k - Windows Media - Hong Kong)

July 24, 2002 01:56 am ET (#1)
Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

Hia =) firdt post again its my 6th first post !! hmmm it suck .. iam an elf =( though sayha will be like ultime wpn ... like a tsurugi for knight

July 24, 2002 02:00 am ET (#2)
EoLight
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82 posts
07-03-02

prurttty.......(to bad no damage bonus) if it did it would be (MUCH)better then yumi.

July 24, 2002 02:04 am ET (#3)
DemonGeist
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69 posts
03-22-02

3rd, yet again nci screws us over

July 24, 2002 02:04 am ET (#4)
uselessmitch
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132 posts
06-21-02

kinda sucks that it sucks...... Sigh I wish we had Gamerooms like that!!

July 24, 2002 02:13 am ET (#5)
DhaosXT
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51 posts
04-24-02

Heheheh, post #5 again

^^

July 24, 2002 02:20 am ET (#7)
BlueMasK
Loyal Fan

110 posts
11-07-01

that gameroom is really like arcade room why it so dark inside it is bad for your eye..

July 24, 2002 02:23 am ET (#8)
TwistMeh
Loyal Fan

146 posts
06-17-02

An elf with 24 dex (base 18+1[boe]+5[spell]) and a +7 yumi at lvl 48 with bless weap hits for around 25+ (The amulet doesn't help since the damage bonus goes up in 2's). If you have wind elf then ur even better off.
Yea it is like a arcade in there. How do they login without people seeing their screenname and password?

July 24, 2002 02:28 am ET (#9)
BraK
Loyal Fan

20 posts
07-05-02

Well, I thank NC for finally adding an elven weapon that has a special attack... It's too bad that the bow sucks. But hey...look at the bright side, at least they gave a naturally magical creature(elves) their own magic instead of dropping the last set of mage spells on them in ep 12!

July 24, 2002 02:37 am ET (#10)
ElvenHawk
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39 posts
04-28-02

Probably they could see the username, but it's so damn dark in there you can't see what anyone is typing

July 24, 2002 02:40 am ET (#11)
Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

hm sayha's bow is kinda disapointing T.T

July 24, 2002 02:46 am ET (#12)
CrazyManiac
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37 posts
06-23-02

Hmmm...some *high quality* video recording there!

July 24, 2002 02:51 am ET (#13)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

lol u mean i got my elf from 30-48 for nothing? :(

July 24, 2002 03:03 am ET (#14)
TOOL
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162 posts
10-28-01

will the magic arrows do full or half dmg against things that break weapons like they do now? unless they removed it and i didnt notice -_-;

July 24, 2002 03:18 am ET (#15)
gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

like briel said

"After we have tried this bow, our conclusion is: rubbish"
"Sayha's Bow is something to show off only"

the beam effect is nice...but since it sux on actual dmg...
better not waste time gather all those ingridients and waste time - -"..
i think most elves will stick to their yumis now =)

July 24, 2002 04:51 am ET (#16)
TheQuickWind
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145 posts
04-15-02

OK LOOK EVERYONE !!! READ THIS PLZ !!!

Does the bow have a + to hit or damage...... NO
Does the bow miss more ..................... YES

But look its not ment for hunting ok.. What people don't know is that when you have no arrows ues shoot magic arrow and what that means is they do magic damage, so the targets AC does not matter all what matters is there MR and the resistence from WIND. Not to meny people know this but it is ture.
So plz don't read this thinking it sucks.. cause uesd on a knight would kill.
It's a pure PVP wep not something you would wanna ues for hunting.
Anouthor thing that you may not know that i think you would like to know. is that 50% mr for a Knight is 45% for a Mage

July 24, 2002 05:01 am ET (#17)
TheQuickWind
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145 posts
04-15-02

Something ells that may not be true i don't know .. but sins the bow uses wind .... maybe the bonus's would only comein to effect with wind elf spells
Ether way .. do you think is would be that hard to make if there was not 1 thing good about it.. come on people think. it frigin needs Dragon scales for gods sakes. And dragons have alwayz ment power

July 24, 2002 05:33 am ET (#18)
Rincewind
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279 posts
02-12-02

Well that pretty much sucks considering the materials needed to make it.

July 24, 2002 06:58 am ET (#19)
Yeildarb
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179 posts
01-19-02

...I can't believe this... Why'd they even put this bow in game? No one will bother. Use those 15 scales to make DSM, which people will actually buy if you get tired of it.

July 24, 2002 07:05 am ET (#20)
FightDaPower
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71 posts
05-23-02

this sux. elf is so much fun and here they go again screwing it over.

July 24, 2002 07:46 am ET (#21)
TheQuickWind
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145 posts
04-15-02

Maybe it misses more becuse they were testing it on mops with high mr?

July 24, 2002 09:56 am ET (#22)
#1LInMasta
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11 posts
07-16-02

SHAYA BOW SUCKS I eXPECTED HELLLLLALOT DMG dang it=.= poor elves they would nevet be able to stand a chance agasint knights

July 24, 2002 09:59 am ET (#23)
Luffarmasken
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-02-02

Why all getting so pissed off? NC just added a New bow, They NEVER said it would rule, U dont Have to use it, They mostly added it cause theres not many bows to choose between, now theres 1 more.. Just that it might not be as good as some others. Just cause they add a new Bow dosnt mean its going to rock >.<

July 24, 2002 10:24 am ET (#24)
Scaleb
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224 posts
10-24-01

Do you realise how hard that bow is to make? Elves thought they were gonna get an elven version of the tsu (an unltimate weapon if you will) - If it's not useful why is it so hard to make??

July 24, 2002 10:29 am ET (#25)
Cogency
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64 posts
12-05-01

Most elfs stick to there yumi cuz they cant get a shaya bow...
dont judge a wpn before u tried it f00ls ><
And u with the babo name (#1LInblabla) i know some elfs who r4pe knights...

July 24, 2002 10:37 am ET (#26)
Luffarmasken
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-02-02

#24

If they add a bow with that big change to the game, they gotta add more stuffs for Every char, They cant just add that to elf without anything else added to others, Tsu bow to elf = Elf spells to knight ? Would that be cool? NO way. Knight deserves best weapon/armor since theyr the only one who is supposed to Really fight 1:1, Prince has his army, Elf his bow/spells, Mage his spells/summons, Knight his Armor/Weapon. Got it? Or u want them to add:

Awesome bow for elf ?
Better sword then TSU for knight ?
Mage summon drakes ?
Prince can morph his members into anything on SOSC list? Including DK/Bapho/Demon/DE at any lvl?

They gotta do something like this if they would add a 16/xx bow for elf :)
NC works like that, and it sucks i know

July 24, 2002 11:17 am ET (#27)
ruben
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355 posts
10-07-01

how can it need a YUMI to make that bow and after that (and the white dragon scales) it is WEAKER than the original bow?



make the new goblin scale armor! ingredients: red DSM, 10 tqd and 5 tsurugi, it can only be worn by princes and if you use it you cant wear any other armor. base ac: 4, it can be enchanted safely to +2. isnt it cool?

July 24, 2002 11:23 am ET (#28)
EX-CON
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597 posts
03-19-02

summon drakes u know what u talkign about and when they added tsu did elf get anythinbg that good or mages they got worse with the prince,mage,elf recieve more dmg and all sure they got spells but lets say u use sword and u con u do weak dmg then with spells ur sword dmg is at least average. Anothere things elves tsu was 2 handed right?then they changed it maybe they change this.NC is
weird u never know what they gonna do!

July 24, 2002 11:27 am ET (#29)
WaterElf
LC Reporter

145 posts
11-16-01

pssh selling white dragon scales! 1k each :~)
wait -.- they can make white dragon scale armour nvm -.-
100m each :~)

July 24, 2002 12:20 pm ET (#30)
FlyZ
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791 posts
11-11-01

lol Prince has it's army? And what does that do? Give you a royally backstabbing once you lose your castle? Seen those pledges who recently lost their castle? Yea the princess is lvl 49 but where's all the 7 subpledges i use to see? Princes are meant to lead but they are so handicapped that most of the leader (the prince, not their other chars) are around level 30. Why so? Because of the crappy siege system which only requires you to be 25. This not only provides most princes with NO chance at all in getting a castle and remember the lin chat?
Quote: Iamaelf: What is the purpose of the Pot Delay and the AC nerf on all classes but Knights?
captsturm: The potion delay reduce's the "richest player wins" fights.
Doesn't the castle ownership just proved that richest player wins and not people who work hard gets rewarded with a castle?

July 24, 2002 12:27 pm ET (#31)
Luffarmasken
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-02-02

As i said, its like NC works, They are weird, But they cant add such a thing to elf.

Prince class is more like a King, cant fight himself, just sit there and give orders. The stupid system about castles needs to be fixed to, They should add More castles and make different Siege levels on different castles. Btw, If u want to be a fighter, choose knight, Dont take Con/Elf and then whine about it, Take the real fighter or stop whining that its bad dmg with ConElf, StrPrince and such

July 24, 2002 12:47 pm ET (#32)
Zeela
Loyal Fan

16 posts
04-23-02

We need and would appreciate more bugs fixed rather than adding "fluff" and nonsense like Sayha's Bow to the game. Thank God NC didn't *replace* Yumi with this bow.

Thank you for the super review!

(Time for everyone to switch to knight character now?)

Zeela - Mage level 45

July 24, 2002 12:48 pm ET (#33)
TheQuickWind
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145 posts
04-15-02

FOOLS !!! ALL OF YOU !!! Wait intill its out and tested i don't trust this news!! makes no sense once oh ever .. How can anyone with a brain read it and think its true... I don't know what the hell is going on but there is no way in hell a bow that needs 50 tears something that drops 1 every 100 DE and 50 fethers from a frigen grirfen dragon scales and a yumi would be good for nothing. NOT POSABLE !! I told you what it does and you people are deff or something .. Listen I'm only going to say this once
"It's A PVP WEAPION AND it was not tested on players"
I don't know about you, but i would love to go to Pk knights who have low MR
They would see that energy stuff flying out and run cuase they would know its there weakness

July 24, 2002 12:50 pm ET (#34)
TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan

145 posts
04-15-02

Or they would act like most block headed knights and end up Dead.

July 24, 2002 12:52 pm ET (#35)
TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan

145 posts
04-15-02

Elf and mage can kill each other.
Mage and knights can kill each other.
With this bow elfs and knights can kill each other.

July 24, 2002 12:53 pm ET (#36)
TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan

145 posts
04-15-02

Besides i bet the guy who tested the bow plays mostly knight and what do they know about magic and bows..... 0

July 24, 2002 12:55 pm ET (#37)
Fangar
LC Reporter

125 posts
06-05-02

I am with the majority here and think that this bow sucks.
You have to realize that NC is playing up the aspect that you can shoot without arrows (not damage). They find this to be a huge bonus, and while it would be nice to hunt without worrying about running out of arrows (I usually end up going through my pots before I finish my 2K arrows).

Its a nice to have, but certainly not worth the cost or the trouble that it needs to make it. This is weapon I would use if I ran out of arrows while hunting, or on things that are very succeptible to wind damage (earth). So it would be a spare and not my primary. Make the cost a dex bow and a couple of quality diamonds and it might be worth it...

July 24, 2002 01:02 pm ET (#38)
TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan

145 posts
04-15-02

my point remains the cost to make it is so high that not even Nc would Do this

July 24, 2002 01:07 pm ET (#39)
aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

SLAM!

Once agian NC proves it is on dope!

I agree with the statement was made earlier in this thread. How is it possible to have a yumi as an ingredient and get an even more Crappy bow!!


L E G E N D

July 24, 2002 01:18 pm ET (#40)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

Well im happy. A yumi W/ mith arrows for a elf is still more powerfull than a tsu for a knight.

+9yumi 13-25/13-24 damage +9btsu = 10-26/10-20

July 24, 2002 01:20 pm ET (#41)
Doomscythe
Loyal Fan

1155 posts
03-21-02

Lol imagine Princes/Princesses who own castles could war each other with their Guards haha... The battle of the Titans O.o

July 24, 2002 02:08 pm ET (#42)
FlaRrRr
Loyal Fan

103 posts
06-06-02

w00t, 42nd post! this bow kinda sux...

July 24, 2002 02:23 pm ET (#43)
Pepper
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135 posts
02-11-02

"Prince class is more like a King, cant fight himself, just sit there and give orders."

Oh ya? How is a prince like a king? a prince CAN become a king but i don't see any relationship between that combat-wise. Look, if all a prince should do is sit there and give out orders, he shouldn't be the universal target and shouldn't lose exp upon death. The reality is, prince class is so nerfed that they can't even defend themselves when they are ganged. And some people just like to play prince, it's personal preference. It's just that NC has made it an unfavourable experience for the prince players.

July 24, 2002 02:25 pm ET (#45)
Pepper
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135 posts
02-11-02

Weee I double posted o.o
Ya anyways..back to the topic. If the Sayha bow requires so many rare ingredients to make...the dmg is expected to be better than that of yumi's. Well, you never know yet cus they might make changes to it soon.

July 24, 2002 02:40 pm ET (#46)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

this sucks NC nerfs everyone T.T except the knight =/

July 24, 2002 02:44 pm ET (#47)
tes
Loyal Fan

26 posts
03-05-02

I dont mind the bow, but listen to what RGConqueror had to say, about the dmg, the elf already does more dmg than a knight. and now they are giving the elfs magic now a new bow. i wish i knew what was in Nc's head, but I WANT SOME!

July 24, 2002 02:45 pm ET (#48)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

Pepper is right about the princes and Sayha's bow....

July 24, 2002 02:49 pm ET (#49)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

lol RGconquerer elves CANT unless the knights are like 5-100 levels below the elf win a duel against a knight with his tsu and elf with his yumi have u ever tried it? elves cant take hits theyll be dead sooo fast in that duel and they dont hit harder i can tell u that ive been hit by a knight with a tsu then a elf with a yumi with mith arrows and they were both +7 i can tell u that the tsu hit around 2ce as much -_- and the elf was dex

July 24, 2002 03:03 pm ET (#50)
XCollicoX
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131 posts
04-20-02

Well the damage really depends on the AC/MR/LVL of the monster...so we can't really totally depend on this YET.

July 24, 2002 03:22 pm ET (#51)
PeNTeL
Loyal Fan

299 posts
12-11-01

this lev 49 con elf with -6x +9rap almost killed my 49 con knight with -5x +7tsu..only won by about 20 hp ><

July 24, 2002 03:32 pm ET (#52)
Luffarmasken
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-02-02

Pepper, i think u got me wrong. What i meant was that the prince class is weak

July 24, 2002 03:39 pm ET (#53)
EoLight
Loyal Fan

82 posts
07-03-02

U might consider useing para/cancel cheap in duels but it probably one of the ways elf will win againts Knights...

July 24, 2002 03:49 pm ET (#54)
Izanagi
Loyal Fan

49 posts
01-10-02

o.o u guys take this game too seriously....

July 24, 2002 04:23 pm ET (#55)
TwistMeh
Loyal Fan

146 posts
06-17-02

If magic is allowed in a knight vs elf duel elf would whop the knights booty to the next Chrsitmas. Come pp "Nature's touch." Lvl 48 con elf = 600hp. Even if the knight takes it out in 15 secs the elf can nature's touch and vola full hp. My lvl 48 elf (even tho it's a dex with low hp -.-) can do that 5 times. That is of course they agree to allow 1v1 with magic ^^. Lets see a knight take out an elf with the equivalent of 3000hp. YEA WHAT NOW.

July 24, 2002 05:17 pm ET (#56)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

..u drunk or something twistmeh?
no way in hell a lv 48 con elf can have 600hp

let's see...
18 con elf
500hp base + 20hp from orc ammy + 50hp from the belt of body = 570hp
18 dex elf
350hp base (i wonder if u have this much at all) + 20hp from orc ammy + 50hp from belt of body = 420hp

oh yea...smarter move is to use para on ur elf and para that knight instead - -"
give u at least 20seconds head start of 0 dmg and wack all u want...heal is useless in duels in my opinion since u heal u'll probably take 5 wacks off from the knight which takes off around 100hp already - -"

July 24, 2002 05:19 pm ET (#57)
Fangar
LC Reporter

125 posts
06-05-02

Your lvl 48 has 250 mana?
With or without a belt?

July 24, 2002 06:24 pm ET (#58)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

"Btw, If u want to be a fighter, choose knight, Dont take Con/Elf and then whine about it, Take the real fighter or stop whining that its bad dmg with ConElf, StrPrince and such"

If the whole lineage population are knights. What variety would be in the game? You HAVE to melee something when playing lineage. You're saying mages don't have to melee when they run out of mp? Why would we have to play the game how NC wants us to play and become all knights? Oh right Lineage: The Bloodpledge changed Lineage Forever, did they finally realize they messed up on the prince/ss part that they have to change the basis on the game of prince and pledges into something i'd like to call 'Knights Forever'?

July 24, 2002 07:08 pm ET (#59)
Spyder
Loyal Fan

148 posts
12-04-01

ya im sure sayha's bow is better then this test shows it is...it has to be, or its still in testin so they eventually gonna add the + to hit and +dmg bonus

#51 hehe i think i fought that elf too...name KuTy...i think i tied her but only cuz i used natures touch once :)
#55 wow ur elf has 250mp? better then the lvl 52 dk elf in korea server with belt of soul >.< my elf has 200mp only = 4x natures touch

July 24, 2002 07:40 pm ET (#80)
Wizzybob_
Loyal Fan

21 posts
10-23-01

elfs got a ton of new magic and u guys are complaining about how a bow only a very few people will even have doesn'y allow elves to own knight? screw the bow i want storm walk then the knight can't even hit u till hes ran at u over and over getting shoot the whole time, anyone got that spell yet?

July 24, 2002 09:31 pm ET (#81)
Yeildarb
Loyal Fan

179 posts
01-19-02

Re; Wizzybob_ [#80]

Storm Walk is a level 50 spell that, if my memory serves me, isn't in game yet.

July 24, 2002 09:48 pm ET (#82)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

OK... I never said elf stronger than a knight. First off damage of a bow depends on lvl and other things I dont know about. Like str is for sword I think dex is for bow. Call me crazy but I think str matters for bow too. It does in deablo and since NC copys from alot of games i whould think it also plays a role in lineage.

A elf can hit harder with a yumi than a knight with a tsu. But bows miss more and you have to be high lvl not to miss.

You forget that knights have so much more ac and carry 2 or 3x as much pots.

July 24, 2002 10:32 pm ET (#83)
XCollicoX
Loyal Fan

131 posts
04-20-02

Well I am a lvl30 elf with a Dex Ammy, -43ac (BOE Included), 6+Yumi, using mithril arrows, and a 30 HP Belt I can't take out a lvl30 knight without max ac and max + for a KAT...I should be able to WOOP HIM! I mean I only lost by 10 HP but c'mon!

PS: I'm a DEX Elf

July 25, 2002 12:22 am ET (#84)
UltraCoolElf
Loyal Fan

105 posts
02-19-02

maybe nc will screw it up and will actually make it better liek... 4/5 dmg? and real arrow dont miss and theres a bonus with mithril arrows? ~_~ maybe air dragon will drop it! and it will be bless!! ahahaha

July 25, 2002 12:22 am ET (#85)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

A lvl 1 knigt with a dagger can kill a LVL 48 knight. Yes this seems dumb but it is posible beacuase damage is based on luck. If they duled like a million times the lvl 1 might win.

Blah what im trying to say is that the strongest doesnt always win.

What ever I just hope NC doesn't make yumi 4/4 and change the new bow to 3/3 +3damage

They did something just as bad with the tsu. Tsu should be 2 handed!!! Too late to fix that.

July 25, 2002 02:04 am ET (#86)
XCollicoX
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131 posts
04-20-02

RG thats impossible cause the lvl48 would end him in 1 shot everytime even if he took the minimum damage

July 25, 2002 06:03 am ET (#87)
Vail
Loyal Fan

260 posts
02-27-02

NC is not out to "screw" anyone. It is what it is. You need to stop comparing Knight to Elves. There is nothing to compare. They are different Classes with different abilities. Forget the PvP aspect. If you want PvP, be a Knight or a Mage. But if you play the game to have fun, and you like to hunt, be an Elf. Once again, no other Classes get a "Tsurugi-Like Weapon." That's what Knights are for. They're the tans. If you want the strong weapons, and the great AC, be the Knight.

You have serious mental problems TheQuickWind. Let the people make the early judgement for themselves. If it ends up being better than everyone thinks, then that is that. You don't need to come on here and try to convince everyone that you think they're wrong. Save yourself some time.

#31 Sums it up best.
#43 Princes are usually trained well in sword fighting from what I know. I think when a Prince/ss dies during a Siege or War, the Pledge should automatically be dismissed. That would be semi-realistic. Being a Prince/ss has it's own rewards. Most people just don't know about them, or they aren't auited to be a Prince/ss.

The fair way to duel with an Elf who uses a bow...The Knight, (Or Prince/ss or Mage) should start a full screen away from the Elf. That's how it should be done. Duels don't mean much. In a Duel with a PK, which matters somewhat, if you're an Elf, you can get the jump on them with a Bow.

I think you're all forgetting that no one can shoot Arrows as fast as Elves do anyways, and that Elves aren't real. ^_^*

July 25, 2002 06:17 am ET (#88)
Vail
Loyal Fan

260 posts
02-27-02

NC is not out to "screw" anyone. It is what it is. You need to stop comparing Knight to Elves. There is nothing to compare. They are different Classes with different abilities. Forget the PvP aspect. If you want PvP, be a Knight or a Mage. But if you play the game to have fun, and you like to hunt, be an Elf. Once again, no other Classes get a "Tsurugi-Like Weapon." That's what Knights are for. They're the tans. If you want the strong weapons, and the great AC, be the Knight.

July 25, 2002 11:06 am ET (#89)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

"Elfs arn't real"

Are *names all mops* real?

And if a knight can hit a newbie and miss one time he can do it 1000 infenent times in a row. It just very very very very very (keeps saying very many many many many{keeps saying many many many many many..... times})unlikely.

And vail let me guess. Your an um elf? Blah your a knight. Sure suport the knights. Elfs good hunters? Knights get bosses and thats whay matters. Knights always richer than elfs. Just because your not a elf dont mean we need to suffer.

July 25, 2002 11:12 am ET (#90)
WaterElf
LC Reporter

145 posts
11-16-01

O.o errr Rg infenent i spelled infinite and and and and
Bebi is ken's 1st lv 50 elf :~) woot go elves
and and elfs is spelled elves

July 25, 2002 11:58 am ET (#91)
Pepper
Loyal Fan

135 posts
02-11-02

Vail since you say being a prince has its own rewards, name them? As far as I know, what makes a prince so special is his ability to recruit members when no other classes in lineage can. They can do 'pledge-related' stuffs, like buying a house, sieging a castle etc. And you get recognized for being a 'good' prince/ss because it's a difficult class to play with. But how many times do you do that a day? The truth is that if you want to be a high lvl prince/ss, you have to HUNT everyday. And prince/ss just ain't given the tools and advantages that would help them in either hunting and sieging. What are the armor/weapon/accesories that are unique to prince/ss ONLY? Yea so prince/ss are well trained in sword fighting, what's the point in fighting in sieges at all when you do at most 20 dmg and have less hp and ac than the siege-active-players = knights. That's why most princes only hid in COI or ran around finding an opening to 'squeeze' in, and most died miserably. So...I'm not sure what I'm arguing here, but we have to look at reality sometimes, not just what the game is meant to be and how the class is meant to be played.

July 25, 2002 11:59 am ET (#92)
Pepper
Loyal Fan

135 posts
02-11-02

Vail since you say being a prince has its own rewards, name them? As far as I know, what makes a prince so special is his ability to recruit members when no other classes in lineage can. They can do 'pledge-related' stuffs, like buying a house, sieging a castle etc. And you get recognized for being a 'good' prince/ss because it's a difficult class to play with. But how many times do you do that a day? The truth is that if you want to be a high lvl prince/ss, you have to HUNT everyday. And prince/ss just ain't given the tools and advantages that would help them in either hunting and sieging. What are the armor/weapon/accesories that are unique to prince/ss ONLY? Yea so prince/ss are well trained in sword fighting, what's the point in fighting in sieges at all when you do at most 20 dmg and have less hp and ac than the siege-active-players = knights. That's why most princes only hid in COI or ran around finding an opening to 'squeeze' in, and most died miserably. So...I'm not sure what I'm arguing here, but we have to look at reality sometimes, not just what the game is meant to be and how the class is meant to be played.

July 25, 2002 02:01 pm ET (#93)
XCollicoX
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131 posts
04-20-02

I agree pepper...totally

July 25, 2002 02:43 pm ET (#94)
RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

waterelf is is not spelled i.

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