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May 31, 2002 08:09 pm ET - research by NC - USA

Banning & Billing Changes

NCsoft Customer Service has implemented a change to the current chat ban tool, enabling Customer Service to ban a player from global chat without affecting their ability to chat locally, whisper, or chat with pledgemates or hunting party members. Additionally, there is a new address to send Lineage money order payments.

Chat Banning Tool
A change has been implemented that allows us to ban players using offensive language and phrasing in the global chat system. A player that has been banned from global chat may continue playing Lineage and is still able to chat locally and with party and pledge members. This tool has been introduced to prevent customers from affecting all players online should they choose to use inappropriate language in global chat. Chat bans last:

1st offense – 3 days
2nd offense – 7 days
3rd offense – permanent

It is still possible for players who abuse other modes of chat to be banned from using all chat forms. However, we believe that the new system is more appropriate for our customer base.

Billing Information
For those who wish to pay for their subscriptions with a money order, please note the new address to send your monthly payment:

NCSoft
6801 N Capital of Texas Hwy
Bldg. 1, Ste. 102
Austin, TX 78731

You can find our address, and answers to most billing questions, on our website in our new Billing FAQ!

May 31, 2002 08:16 pm ET (#1)

InToTheFire
Loyal Fan
142 posts
11-27-01

man thats harsh

1st post

May 31, 2002 08:19 pm ET (#2)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

may i say this...sucks?...
even tho there r tons of spammers out there..
they only do selective chat bans...
they better start global chat ban on those ppl flooding the channel \./

hmm..new address...must be that they cant afford that old p.o. box now...
that address....i think maybe it's where their office is...
everyone write it down, so u can go there in person to argue with them
when they ban u or something

May 31, 2002 08:39 pm ET (#3)

IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan
135 posts
10-13-01

I'm going to start playing a new game in addition to lineage, it's called Vasaline LB.

I just called the IRS from a payphone LB. Hope you enjoy the game!
When I go to e3 again next year, I apologize in advance for dumping my grape soda all over your head accidentally. Your all wet man. click goes my camera.

I'm having more fun than playing lineage!

May 31, 2002 08:47 pm ET (#4)

Tueur
Loyal Fan
60 posts
04-05-02

YES!

I'm GLAD!

Hopefully this will deter so many goofballs in global!

May 31, 2002 09:15 pm ET (#5)

TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan
145 posts
04-15-02

Ya whatever.. I hate this stupid chat banning crap.
Tell me something when did lineage become a daycare?
I once got banned for 3 days ... could not log on..
Why.. Couse i say this in globle. --> "W T F"
1st of all I never said one word. And 2nd Kick off lineage for 3 days cuse of that... ? I got a 300 min chat ban befor. But It was not even my fault.
I go to an internet cafe. And Play lineage there with friends..
Well someone went on Globle Wile i was taking a leek, And said... Well I can't
say it .. but he asked if anyone has a little sister for something ....
I understand then i got 300 min chat ban for that, But when i sent e-mail telling them what happined they never did anything and counted it as a 1st strike ... By the way 3 and you acount is gone.. then I said "W T F" ...
And got kick off for 3 days... Now anything happins and I'm banned..
Now you tell me if thats fare. ... I mean the point of using the 3 letters instead of the words is to not affend people.
Anywayz I think Nc is to quick to ban

May 31, 2002 09:37 pm ET (#6)

Underlord
Loyal Fan
78 posts
12-03-01

nc is obsessed with banning people

May 31, 2002 10:26 pm ET (#7)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

dang..i hate rule #6...cant make fun of nc staff no more here...>,<
but anyhow, even tho this might be off topic,
here goes a story...based on a true story...~~...

the following is the truth off some newspaper in the usa in some certain day:
*headline news* - "Child found dead after sleepless pursuit of playing computer game"

and my story begins here:
...after reading the headline news, parents are seem to be concerned about the health of their children, and since most children in american are playing some type of computer game, the following contains a phone conversation between a concern parent and the game company staff...

concerned parent: dear game company staff, to whom it may concern, ever since i've read the headline news of the newspaper, i am very concerned about the behaviors of young teenagers and adults alike that somehow computer games influenced them to behavior in more violent and aggressive behaviors.....
game support staff: (interupted parent's conversation briefly) miss/sir, complains about the game should be talked to the customer service, please wait a moment while i transfer you

*after a minute*
game customer service staff: what's your concern sir/ma'm?
parent: i'm concerned that my child is spending a lot of his time in your game
staff: i'm glad to hear that, but what's the problem with that?
parent: he started saying **** ** and ***** and *** and i believe he learned all those language from your game
staff: you sure that your child did not learn it else where like in school? or from his friends? and some sort?
parent: i'm positive since i've logged on to see what the game is like a few days ago...
staff: i'm glad to hear that you enjoy the game
parent: ...but the moment i'm on i've seen foul languages flying around and such that it's practically intolerable to stand such language on a day to day basis without having long term effects on your players and subscribers...
staff: i understand your concern, but we...
parent: (interupting) ...and that i believe you game company staff should do your best to control the language level to minimum or at least under control level where it's tolerable on a day to day basis, as my child would be influenced heavily because of his daily access to your game at home
staff: i understand that completely sir/ma'm but let me explain...
parent: (interupt again) and that if my child and other parents' children are heavily influenced by your game's bad language and atmosphere and in the bad case scenario of death due to the sleepless effort of playing the game then i'll have no choice but to sue your company up in court so that you'll be responsible to your own actions there! (hangs up immediately)

customer service staff dont know what to do and just report this to his superiors
staff: (detailedly describe the above conversation to his superiors)
superiors: hmm...so the parents are concerned, and we cant afford getting this issue into court or it'll ruin our business in the long run, so, here's what we'll do
staff: and what will we do?
superiors: turn the game into a day-care center, so we wont get sued

May 31, 2002 10:27 pm ET (#8)

Jasuda
Loyal Fan
26 posts
03-13-02

YES
Glad as well.
Agree...

Hopefully this WILL deter many goofballs in global.

btw this is not an adult game and NC is trying to reach all ages. Please do not bore me with the "parents are responsible" jargon. They would have to play the game to see it.

And that is not reasonable.

May 31, 2002 10:37 pm ET (#9)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

ba..forget it..u dont get it (the joke) - -"...
maybe i tell it the wrong way...argh...
hate when that happen

hmmmmm...maybe i should make up another joke that u guys would understand...
dang...

May 31, 2002 10:39 pm ET (#10)

speedlab
Loyal Fan
124 posts
11-27-01

You need a legal guardian to sign you up if you're under 18 though. So if I take my 16 year old (for example) to a Restricted movie, is the language going to be censored - HELL NO - you were warned, I'm an adult and don't need to be treated like a child. If i want to say something as obscure as WTF or OMFG I shouldn't be also worrying whether or not some bored, pre-pubescent, acne covered, jolt drinking monitor will be checking the logs at 4 in the morning when they have nothing better to do then pick their nose.
Global - fine - but when the throw in the "we may also check pledge, local and whisper chat too" that just pisses me off.

May 31, 2002 10:46 pm ET (#11)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

ooooooo...they see ur pledge and whisper chat too?...
oh ****....i better stop saying bad stuff about gms there lol

*beware, gm's watching your every move, is he the one controlling you?*

oh yea...anyone living in austin texas wanna check out that address
and complain in person for most of us here? o.o

May 31, 2002 10:56 pm ET (#12)

RenMaster
Loyal Fan
92 posts
05-26-02

DOES THIS APPLY TO OLD ACCS WHO WERE PERM BANNED FOR SWEARING?!? I HOPE SO IM EMAILING THEM

May 31, 2002 11:10 pm ET (#13)

Jasuda
Loyal Fan
26 posts
03-13-02

Sorry GIGI

I got the joke. U posted while I was composing mine....

May 31, 2002 11:32 pm ET (#14)

Zexmaix
Loyal Fan
41 posts
01-24-02

I just thought that I needed to reply to this one. If you had already found out like I have, you would know that the NC Customer Support team is actually made up of a single person who loves to sign his reply emails in tens of hundreds of different names to act as if NC was made up of a huge staff. Plus the guy behind the banning is most likely power hungry and a communist.

I don't mean to be too harsh with this comment, but NC seriously has the WORST support "guy", since there isn't a staff, in the history of games I have played. Heck even Verant and the procrastinators at Blizzard can out due NC easily. They take pride in banning simple chat offences like "wtf", "what in the hell", and the spanish word "molestaba", even though that isn't even bad at all, lol. It isn't offensive when it is not directed towards someone. We could easily have twice if not triple the Lineage community we have right now if NC would actually listen to us and be F A I R to us.

This is a great game, but I could find a bunch of monkey's that use typewriters and they would do a better job then half the NC "staff" is doing...

I am so glad this crap won't happen in my game, because I won't let it happen. ^^

And as the eternal Flame said...
FLAME ON!

Zexmaix ~> The Defiant Hero

May 31, 2002 11:36 pm ET (#15)

IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan
135 posts
10-13-01

to #12

try mapquest they've gots great aerial photography of their place inz Austin.

Anyone in suite 102 want some dbl anchovies on there pizza??

May 31, 2002 11:46 pm ET (#16)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

ANCHOVIES?....
...ewwwwwww....no thx ~~...
(but add extra drool of sliva on their pizza before delivery for me ^^)
kekeke

June 01, 2002 12:06 am ET (#17)

xLondonBroilx
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-02-01

I'd rather be banned from global for 3 days then being totally chat banned for 300 minutes any day.
This makes it so that you can still play the game adequetly if you get banned. No more having to buy a ton of mailpapers :)

And to all of you that complain, just don't curse!

To #5 Quickwind. You said you got banned for saying "WTF". Everyone here (I hope) knows what that stands for. It doesn't have to be spelled out. You KNOW that you can't say that, why would you? Why didn't you just say "what the...."

June 01, 2002 12:12 am ET (#18)

Zexmaix
Loyal Fan
41 posts
01-24-02

To #18

Do you realize that PEOPLE make MISTAKES. We aren't machines. Plus that to me is a HARMLESS phrase. It doesn't seem directed towards anyone so why should anyone find it offensive? "Curse" words are part of the human vocabulary and help to express emotion. Why should they be blocked to such an insane point? "Crap on this", oh I just got a 3 day ban.

Zexmaix ~> The Defiant Hero

June 01, 2002 01:18 am ET (#19)

MysticSassie
Loyal Fan
32 posts
03-15-02

some words are censored that are very dumb. so if i say crap or poop on global, which i wouldnt, ill get banned? whats up with that..

June 01, 2002 01:29 am ET (#20)

Daos
Loyal Fan
182 posts
05-31-02

Uhhh does this mean complete bans are now defunct? cuz if they are, I(and a few others) will be extremely angry... as I was banned about 4 months ago under veeery unfair terms.

June 01, 2002 01:33 am ET (#21)

IronBlade Dragon
Loyal Fan
135 posts
10-13-01

try saying- the rangers are comming to find the magic dust in the castle!@! on global and you'd have them thinking your going to call the texas rangers to search that castle in texas for drugs. hahaha You hear me yet richie?

June 01, 2002 01:40 am ET (#22)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

Well being in Lineage since beta days it was refreshing to see NCsoft lay down the law last May. There is no need to cuss on global, while I find some of NCsoft-US's tactics and word list a big over done.
Its alot better than how it was a year ago. It was the Lord of the Flies. If you are that pissed off , then don't global.
A 10 year old can learn to control his/her behavior , so can anyone of us.

*shrugs* You agreed to the rules when you signed up if you disagree , then don't pay anymore. I have been in 10 MMORPGs since "retiring" from Lineage, Evercrack mods gave little concern about a foul mouth kid who cussed for 32 lines. A Sci-fi MMORPG from Britian , had such bad behavior in chat , it was impossible to follow chat.

99% of the time I don't even have global on. If you are that worried about getting banned or think they are ban happy then don't use global. Simple as that. Use pledge or like me Yahoo or one of the other deals.

Sheesh you all act like you need to cuss (or some are basically saying its thier right) , I remember back in the day when AD&D was the RPG , and rarely did people cuss. (Of course some of those people are wandering Evercrack lost as hell).

June 01, 2002 01:45 am ET (#23)

Daos
Loyal Fan
182 posts
05-31-02

Um ever hear of mistakes or acting without thinking? I got banned for saying stuff that I don't think anyone could find offensive... and a few of my offenses werent even me. And its kind of hard to "just not use" chat. Taking away over a year of someone's work is just NOT fair, under almost any circumstances...

June 01, 2002 01:57 am ET (#24)

BlueMasK
Loyal Fan
110 posts
11-07-01

wtf? when i died by lag i usually swear in my pledge chat so that way i wont get ban from monitor.. What happen one of your pledge mate copy the phrase then i'm screw..

June 01, 2002 02:40 am ET (#25)

PeNTeL
Loyal Fan
299 posts
12-11-01

day 1)We have reviewed your situation and I'm afraid that since your actions are a direct violation of the Rules of Conduct we cannot reinstate your account

day 2)As has been previously stated, we have reviewed your situation and I'm afraid that since your actions are a direct violation of the Rules of Conduct we cannot reinstate your account.

day 3)The account in question has been permanently closed for violations of the Rules of Conduct, as explained in previous emails. This ban is permanent and the final decision on this matter has been made. I am afraid that the account cannot be reopened.

day 4)Many things are taken into account when determining a penalty for an account that has violated the Rules of Conduct or user agreement. Penalties can range from a simple warning to an immediate ban of the account, and depending on the type of violation, severity of the violation, the history of the account and any prior violations that are on it, and so forth.

We do our best to enforce the rules as equally and fairly as possible. While it is easy to say, for example, "This guy used foul language a single time, cussing is against your Rules of Conduct, why isn't he banned," that is a completely different violation of the Rules of Conduct. If you were to speak with others who were penalized for similar violations, I think you would find that the action taken is quite consistent. While you are free to disagree with our rules and policies in this regard, you do agree to abide by them when you sign up for the game.

Guess ill see u all in lineage 2 or something ^^..looks like nc wont be unbanning me

June 01, 2002 02:49 am ET (#26)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

sigh. gigi i know it was a joke that you put in there but do you realize maybe some paretns have done that. it is a bunch of crap that some people have to go and call in and complain cause a couple of players where cussing. If they dont want there kids cussing tell them to play a board game. You are playing a mmorpg you are playing with hundreads of diffrent people with diffrent personailtys. No matter where you go you will hear it no matter what. God i am so pissed off hearing this kinda crap i ahvegotten chat banned for just saying crap. What the hell is the problem with the word crap? bah nc just loves to go and ban people ><

June 01, 2002 03:32 am ET (#27)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

i wonder how many they'll ban this time....
til there's no one left on their servers?
....ooo...that's good...no $$ for them anymore...

i think we all should find something else to play...or do...- -"

June 01, 2002 03:47 am ET (#28)

SolidSoul
Loyal Fan
47 posts
02-17-02

Lakers win O_O!

June 01, 2002 11:05 am ET (#29)

BlueMasK
Loyal Fan
110 posts
11-07-01

This is American! WHy parent concern about swearing? everyone grow up like that, taht child soon or later he will know how to swear $#@$@*$@#! #@#@$@$

I was thinking to comming back.. but with the Banning change nah.. I'm waiting for Lineage 2.

June 01, 2002 11:28 am ET (#30)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

it's a joke....- -".................
what if lin2 is run by the same customer service "team"...or whatever..
u still gonna play lin2?...- -"...

a bad game development might ruin the whole game
a bad customer service will ruin all the games from that company

June 01, 2002 12:51 pm ET (#31)

TCUBED
Loyal Fan
109 posts
03-18-02

i think there should be a fee for swearing lol, a swear jar ^^

June 01, 2002 01:58 pm ET (#32)

Zexmaix
Loyal Fan
41 posts
01-24-02

Yep, Lakers win! Three peat!

Anyways, Lineage was actually BETTER during beta days in my opinion. Things weren't as strict but there was still a few simple rules in place. I was at one time going to get City Of Heroes, but since NC will be partly behind it I am going to double think that decision. This company has lost almost all of my respect. They shouldn't even try and correct the human behavoir if they can't even understand it for themselves.

I would be better off dead then a red.

Zexmaix ~> The Defiant Hero

June 01, 2002 02:18 pm ET (#33)

Aphelion
Loyal Fan
7 posts
12-02-01

Personally, I think this is a good move.

You all agreed to the terms of service when you signed up - don't like the rules? Don't play the game. Very simple logics. It's not a matter of wether they're beign harsh or not. They're protecting their ass', aswell as yours.
Theres actually a regulation for online communities to prevent "children" from
being exposed to indecent material. Lineage is an online community, like it or not, it's also full of children (regardless of age). I've forgotten what the organisation is called - A.L.S.A. maybe...

So, you're old enough to not need a baby-sitter huh? Well, then you're old enough to know better and to show a little sense. Remember, you have to actually physically type out cuss words, so it's not like you don't have time to think about your actions.

As much as I dislike NC, this was a good move. Now I don't need to filter through all the lack-wits and morons on global chat.

If you all act maturely, then you won't have to worry about being banned.

Yours,
Distic

June 01, 2002 05:53 pm ET (#34)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

If nc acted more maturly about how they went around banning everyone who say things like poop, then maybe we would act a bit more mature. It goes both ways guys...

June 01, 2002 05:57 pm ET (#35)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

NCsoft and I don't get along, but they have made major head way in the customer service. Its still not great, but its better than it was a few months ago. I still haven't gotten over them yanking my board account for...
Beta was better? I can remember ,
'Is GM on?'
'No, do a /who'
'Hehe no GM on.. let's talk about naked little boys'

It wasn't exactly chat , it was like the Jerry Springer show on crack.
Daos :
of mistakes or acting without thinking

Do you want to know how many warnings 99% of the people doing bad behavior get? There were dozens of 'warnings' back in the day , there were people getting 22 to 30 warnings!!
I seen some veterans getting very cuddly treatment in regards to chat , and then they would come to the boards, and complain , talking about '1 warning bans'. Hell 99% of them were lying.

Its not this is thier first warning , most people who do bad behavior continue to repeat. Some of them have grown up because of it.

*shrugs*

June 01, 2002 06:03 pm ET (#36)

JaggedEdge
Loyal Fan
10 posts
05-12-02

Last time I checked, almost all Credit Card users are over the age of 18 (making them adults in the eyes of the law). I also understand that not all peeps pay with CC -.-. Also, last time I checked, IT IS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO GOVERN AND DISCIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN NOT A OUTSIDE GAMING (STILL QUESTIONABLE) COMPANY THAT FEELS THAT BECASUE WE REALLY CAN'T PROVE THE FACT THAT A SUPREME BEING EXISTS, GM'S AND MONITORS HAVE TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO BE SELD PROCLAIMED SUPREME BEINGS. Nazi's ended, Communists have pretty much been eliminated. Guess what's next =) Atleast they can't say they didn't have it coming!

June 01, 2002 06:46 pm ET (#37)

Acantho
Loyal Fan
30 posts
05-22-02

Well chat banning is perfectly good in my mind. At least when it comes to global and everyday outside talking.
When it comes to pledge chat. Let things go. It's up to the Prince/Princess to control his or her pledge. If he allows swearing then it's all cool.
As well whispers should be swear able. Seeing as how you can block them and they are meant to be private conversations then why not allow swearing.
And isn't there somewhere in the game where you can turn off and on the swearing filter???
Can someone tell me if it works cause it doesn't work for me.
This should be put into the game. I mean this company should implement all the things that the game says are available before they make new things. (anybody want to be my ally??)
As far as things such as WTF. I'm sorry but those are just letters. If a person knows what it stands for then they aren't getting exposed to swearing in this game, it's from somewhere else.
Nobody says WTF in public so let it go. Things such as FU. Yes that's a common term so chat ban for it.
Personally I think if everyone is so upset about the swearing they should make a commong language of words to mean the swear words that are banned.
Then Lineage would have to put those words into the filter.
Then we move on to using regular words like cow means f&%#@
But generally we do it already
F@$# = frig, frick
S@#$ = shiat
A$$ = A$$ :)
let's just stick to it

June 01, 2002 06:51 pm ET (#38)

TCUBED
Loyal Fan
109 posts
03-18-02

didnt your moms teach you to say sugar and darn LOL..(i know mine didnt :P)

June 01, 2002 07:36 pm ET (#39)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

Who cares? Just stop cussing. Those of you who get banned so much just need to stop. It's not that hard.

June 01, 2002 10:35 pm ET (#40)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

JaggedEdge its doesn't matter if we are adults or not. Its NCsoft-US's rules , we agreed to them when we signed up. Freedom of speech stops at the door, a private company has to give you 0 , none of the freedoms in the Bill of Rights.
NCsoft-US has said , "we expect this behavior from you" and they have always said "this is the punishment for said behavior" As I told the kids whom were demanding thier rights ages ago.
It boils down to respecting others , what might not offend you or I , might offend someone else. The filters don't give license to cuss or do bad behavior, its just in there to prevent from leaking through.
*Shrugs*

June 02, 2002 01:21 am ET (#41)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

The content that they introduce into thier game gives us the right to swear. They cant add things like succubi and sea dancers (basically nakid-semi nakid women) and then expect us to say things like "oh darn" and "gosh golly gee, i lagged out and died at level 49 again because of "my" connection to thier lagg free servers" ect ect...
Come on, this game revolves around killing. Are you saying its perfectly acceptable in our society to kill one another in a game, but god forbid we say the word poop in a whisper?

June 02, 2002 02:44 am ET (#42)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

lol etiklam i agree on that all the way. besieds if parents dont want htere childern exposed to those kind of special words dont let them play the game at all. If they know it happens maybe they should say hey i dont think you should be palying this game untill you are older to really know waht these mean or something.

June 02, 2002 04:10 am ET (#43)

thebaddog
Loyal Fan
24 posts
06-02-02

NCsoft needs to grow up, to sign up you need a CC, if parents are too freaked out and crazy to not want their kid to "learn bad words" that they prob already know from "the kid down the block", infact they prob are the kid down the block, then they shouldnt buy them the account, if you go ONLINE, ANYWHERE there is language that might offend someone. Very few young kids play lineage because of the kind of time and dedication it takes, first of all, second it requires a credit card. I fully agree with chat banning TRUELY offencive materal (i.e. back on other games/chats ppl use racial slurs, and VERY offencive graphic language) if I just say "oh **** i died and droped ______) I shouldnt be banned, thats stupid, immature, and babyish. I know a number of friends who quit lineage because of the language policy, they didnt want to work on making a good char to have it banned or crippled because they have a habbit of swearing online, lineage looses more buisness then it makes by playing mommy to all the players. not to mention how offencive/childish some of the bans are, i.e. "S**T" isnt banned, yet a synnonym for a donkey is, or "gay" is banned, while it is sometimes used in a offensive way..... cant we get past 3rd grade? I think everyone should write to lineage and ask for some freedom, maybe if they get enough letters they will do something about it... again,im not saying to remove chat ban, people who are CONSTAINTLY offensive on public chat, or maybe even say, dont swear on public chat, but private chat, BP chat, or local chat shouldnt be cared about like that.....

June 02, 2002 02:07 pm ET (#44)

Aphelion
Loyal Fan
7 posts
12-02-01

It's been said time and time again: If you don't like the rules, leave.
NC won't lose any business, it will always have an influx of players to counter those who are leaving. So, that small ammount of players that leave due to a breach in their "freedom of speech" won't make much difference.

Why do you need and insist on swearing? Is it so important to look like Billy Badass and cuss like a sailor? Sure, I swear, I'm not about to deny it. But I don't feel the need to express that online.

Yes, kids do hear this language elsewhere. That's not the point though. Just because they may have heard it from a friend, doesn't mean you have free will to say what you want. If you were a parent, would you swear and cuss and pitch a hissy fit in front of you children, simply because something you didn't like happened? I doubt it.

If you want to be treated like a responsible adult, which I assume you do, from all your ranting about this topic; expect consequences for your actions. That's life, deal with it.

June 02, 2002 02:33 pm ET (#45)

Zexmaix
Loyal Fan
41 posts
01-24-02

Uh... a constant influx? Yeah alright... I have seen the numbers DROP as of late, maybe not due to this, but likely to have something to do with the company itself. You are wrong Aphelion, NC isn't making a profit at all in the US. They have even stated that they haven't made a profit here. People make mistakes, be it words or actions. I get sick of people who go into the whole "emotional" crap about it. We are born, we live, we die. End of story.

Zexmaix ~> The Defiant Hero

June 02, 2002 03:11 pm ET (#46)

Aphelion
Loyal Fan
7 posts
12-02-01

The numbers will continaully ebb and flow, Zexmaix. I did not even mention the company profit. Richard garriot has even said himself at some point; Numbers will die slowly, then re-kindle.

I was getting emotional? Can you point that out, bud? I didn't realise I was.

My main point was, that you can't always get what you want. People want to swear and not get banned for it. Well, tough luck - you can't.

Is that such a big deal? You can't swear, so you're all going to kick up a stink about it?

Like you said, we a re born, we live and we die. But, what we do in the mean time is live, and to live you have to deal with crap you don't like. Some brave people choose to rebel, some idiots choose to rebel in a losing situation.

June 02, 2002 08:29 pm ET (#47)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

It is a big deal, all of the few freedoms we have are slowly being taken away, everywhere you look. Where do we draw the line? Whos working for who here? I know they arnt paying me to play thier game. Your contradicting yourself Aphelion. We do live, we do die and as you say "you have to deal with crap you don't like" If you dont like swear words, or your not comfortable with them, then dont play online games. Play single player games by your self where everything has been sterilzed so your eyes arnt offended by profanity. Infact, why dont you lock yourself in your room and never come into contact with another human being. Dont try to force someone like me to behave differently so you can feel better about yourself.

June 02, 2002 09:08 pm ET (#48)

Aphelion
Loyal Fan
7 posts
12-02-01

Ouch! Attacking me on a personal level. I feel - honored ;)

Where do I contradict myself? Point it out so I can atleast clarify my error.
I'm perfectly comfortable hearing bad language, it doesn't offend me or anything like that. I just don't see a need for people to use it. To what purpose does it serve? Does it make you feel better, make you feel cooler?

Personally, I like the fact they're putting this in place. It will filter out all the trash talking of people, and all the other rubbish that fills up global chat. It doesn't mean I'm all for world censorship of bad language, hell, I use it myself. But I know the time and place where and where not to use it.

It doesn't bother you that something you say may offend someone deeply? You're telling me that you would not feel ashamed for blatantly offending someone, even if it were you're own mother, for example.

Just because swear words and other offensive communication are available, and you know how to use them, doesn't make it acceptible behavior.

Yours,
Distic

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