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October 17, 2002 05:49 pm ET - research by Chama

Lineage rated 18+ in Korea

Reported on news.naver.com (http://news.naver.com/news_read.php?oldid=2002101700000354044&s=41,130,334&e=103,207,409):

The Korean-equivalent of the ESRB, (which, in the US, rates game content such as T for Teen, M for Mature, etc) has rated Lineage 18+, to NC's dissappointment. This means that game rooms in Korea (which is where a large majority of Lineage players play) will now not allow players to play Lineage if they are not 18 years old.

NC said that they were hoping for a 12+ rating, and have been changing content to make it more teen-friendly, such as Lineage Tournament to curb real-life violence, graphics changes, etc. Some of the reasons cited by the ratings group were addiction, violence and gambling/real-money trades.

30% of Korean Lineage players are 14 or younger, which is quite a large number of players. The article did not mention the impact of this change on other countries, or what NC was planning to do about it.

October 17, 2002 05:50 pm ET (#1)

ruben
Loyal Fan
355 posts
10-07-01

does this mean that we can swear now? j/k :P

October 17, 2002 05:56 pm ET (#2)

Linny
Loyal Fan
166 posts
05-01-02

i agree with this damn addiction

October 17, 2002 05:59 pm ET (#3)

thesimbul
Loyal Fan
39 posts
01-22-02

I notice that they didn't mention anything about topless succubus or ettin thongs :)

October 17, 2002 06:04 pm ET (#4)

dutchpower
Loyal Fan
81 posts
10-25-01

omg LOL! poor korean ppl! good thing it isnt as known here tho, cuz i aint 18 yet, heh ^_^

October 17, 2002 06:10 pm ET (#5)

thesimbul
Loyal Fan
39 posts
01-22-02

I'm also interested to know what kind of "gambling" is going on?

If lineage is rated 18+ in Korea, games like Grand Theft Auto would probably get a XXX rating there LOL

October 17, 2002 06:10 pm ET (#6)

theclanx
Loyal Fan
111 posts
07-09-02

They said 30% are 14 and under not to mention how many are 17 and under. This could have some huge impacts on lineage in Korea.

What happens to all the characters owned by these "kids".
How much will this impact the bottem line for NC Interactive.
What will NC do to save, reverse or appeal this decision? Eliminate the gambling? I disagree that a game should be rated 18+ because it's addicting or in their words, "violent". Lineage graphic doesn't allow the the game to "graphically violent" except maybe Linage 2.

Finally, we'll see how this affects u.s.

For the record, this is going to be hard to implament regardless.

October 17, 2002 06:11 pm ET (#7)

VoLT
Loyal Fan
174 posts
12-02-01

if there was way to see if you are 18 or older.. next time i log in on us server.. only me and all other good players playing

October 17, 2002 06:32 pm ET (#8)

Toi
Loyal Fan
79 posts
09-21-02

hah poor wittle korean kiddies, the gambling comes from the dog races and slime race thesimbul dont tell me you've never tried them out? slime races used to be the place to be at nite time everynite time in lineage, no one goes there anymore tho :(. this game is hardly 18+ tho, they should trash that rating and let the kiddies play!

October 17, 2002 06:32 pm ET (#9)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

"I'm also interested to know what kind of "gambling" is going on?"

Keep in mind this is korean servers and dog race and slime race is very popular there (since there's people who actually play it and you do win money). That is not gambling in your books?

Now i'm wondering what lin2's rating will be. It's like a half assed pr0n movie without the nekkidness o.O

October 17, 2002 06:36 pm ET (#10)

Yammie
Loyal Fan
213 posts
11-14-01

ghey -_-

October 17, 2002 06:45 pm ET (#11)

Raveen
Loyal Fan
41 posts
05-10-02

Guys, this is not the end of the world for NC. All the article said is that ppl under the age of 18 will not be able to play Lineage in the game rooms anymore. Well, look at blockbuster, they have a rule where they arent allowed to rent Mature games to ppl under 18, but I guarantee you that the kids still get the game somehow. People under 18 will still be able to play at home. The above 18 thing is only a rating. Even if it did come to the US servers it wouldnt affect most of us, since most of us play at home. In korean it will have a bigger impact b/c alot ppl play in the game room, but I'm guessing that if these kids are so "addicted" to the game they will either convince their parents to buy them a compoter so they can play at home, or head out looking for a fake ID ^.^
In my opinion NC will get past this with relative ease. But as always, I could be wrong.
Raveen

October 17, 2002 06:52 pm ET (#12)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

poor kids n korea T.T well if they ever implemented this here i know that people would find a way past this. Just face kids these dys are smarter then they look o.o they got friends who have friends that have friends who can hook them up. Im notworried though since im not affected by this at all

October 17, 2002 07:23 pm ET (#13)

Radiation
Loyal Fan
10 posts
05-30-02

I AGREE WITH IT TOTALY and i hope it stays that way im sorry but some of these younger koreans are very childish i mean VERY! koreans hateing americans thats not right yes we may have some people like that too but thers a bigger majority of koreans that hate us than americans hate them and its stupid caz some of them play us server if they dont like americans y are they on our server? dont they got 500 others to play on

October 17, 2002 07:27 pm ET (#14)

Fangar
LC Reporter
125 posts
06-05-02

The dynamic is very different here as it is in Korea.
If I understand correctly a large majority of Korean players play from a game room, which adds to the allure of a MMO... Therefore if people are strict and regulators start raiding game rooms, there will be a huge decline of players...

I am not sure what contributes to the delinquency of a minor there, but the level of addictive you will find in most good games. The violence exists, but it exists in a lot of games. I could see PVP though as a huge no no. Because killing a gnoll is one thing, but plotting to kill the guy next to you is something entirely different. There have also been numerous gang related beatings because of Lineage. So who knows...

But Lineage is no different from any other MMO or fighting video game.

As for gambling.. well BAH! R/L buying and trading... who knows...

October 17, 2002 07:35 pm ET (#15)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

I kind of agree with what Radiation was trying to say: I wonder how much of the childish, racist behavior and stealing would stop if the game was 18+ only.

And as a warning to the people who love to overreact about matters of age: I'm not saying ALL of the people who are under 18 are like this -- the majority of LC staff is under 18 after all ;)

October 17, 2002 07:52 pm ET (#16)

TeronElf
Loyal Fan
185 posts
09-21-02

i dont know if someone said this but... If you were in a game room with someone and you PKed him he would come and punch that guy so if he was a boy... you get it do you? And that thing about 18+ is bad. Get the violence out? How? Let the violence in and make it 13+ pls.. bout the time you do that all 12 boys/girls o.O will get 13 ... ^_^... Like I did...

October 17, 2002 08:21 pm ET (#17)

NeoCross
Loyal Fan
139 posts
03-20-02

this will change ntohing in korea

all the kiddies will still play at home and the adults will simply turn the web bars into orgy cafes -.-

October 17, 2002 08:29 pm ET (#18)

-Orim-
Loyal Fan
99 posts
09-15-02

you should consider that korean age18(which is what they are talking about i am sure) is only 16-17 western.
that makes it sorta like Teen

October 17, 2002 08:47 pm ET (#19)

Laura_ken
Loyal Fan
23 posts
10-11-02

how can I say "uh oh"?

October 17, 2002 08:51 pm ET (#20)

Traen
Loyal Fan
59 posts
01-19-02

But they said that about Mature rated games here in the US, and do they really inforce those? Not unless you have a prude, old folk at the cash register. ^^

Oh yeah, amer, 18- means free labor. ;)

October 17, 2002 09:02 pm ET (#21)

UNIVERSAL
Loyal Fan
109 posts
10-05-02

lol

October 17, 2002 09:27 pm ET (#22)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

omg amer 12 irl o_o

October 17, 2002 10:24 pm ET (#23)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

These ratings has to be enforced to be effective. ESRB is basically useless since kiddies can get a game over the counter without having their IDs being checked. Only when there's laws to the offenders to the cafes would make these cafes enforce the 18+ only people playing.

October 17, 2002 10:29 pm ET (#24)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

O.o;;
and the point is???
this doesn't make any difference to lineage
if so,just makes teens wanna play it more
there r age ristriction to alcohol,tobacco,but u dun see 19 or young ppl all sober and not smoke

October 17, 2002 10:38 pm ET (#25)

Alexei
Loyal Fan
34 posts
09-11-02

They don't need an age requirement...
They need an intelligence requirement because too many idiots play...
~^

October 17, 2002 11:24 pm ET (#26)

TheCollector
Loyal Fan
351 posts
09-07-02

i liked NeoCross's answer the best LOL!

this won't affect the US-resident players that much at all. the proof of being 18+ is when you sign up with a credit card.... and i don't know of a whole lot of americans playing in game rooms, i can't speak for the canadians etc. though.
besides, i think that each countrie's version of ESRB would work independently, meaning while korea's version says the game is 18+ age, canada's might only say 13+, or US might say ~whatever. basically what i am getting at is even though korea ESRB says 18+, doesnt govern all the other countrie's.

October 17, 2002 11:49 pm ET (#27)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

in 20 days iam 18 ^^

October 18, 2002 01:14 am ET (#28)

thesimbul
Loyal Fan
39 posts
01-22-02

#8: lol i totally forgot about dog races and slime races. on ken i've not seen anyone say "all to dog races" for some months. i myself have never bothered with the dog or slime races. too busy trying to level :)

October 18, 2002 01:27 am ET (#29)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

#7 Exactly.

Please, Please NC, if you're not going to enforce the 18+ rule here, can you at least give us and Age 18+ only server? That would be so great. Or maybe you could, make people pass a proficiency to be on a special server?

NC will only lose about 40% of their empire if this turns ugly. And by ugly, I mean good. Because then we'll most likely have less thieves and all the rest.

October 18, 2002 01:30 am ET (#30)

Altarth
Loyal Fan
22 posts
09-12-02

Hmm....... poor Koreans..... I don't know if anyone is thinking about this... well... in this way, but this may have an affect on us. Think, if NC has to lower violence ratings for Korea, they may have to change it for us too.
So far... well as far as I have seen, anything that happens to Lineage for Korea affects us in one way or another. In forums, in the game, outside the game (for whom I can't really say). I can understand about the addiction. This game can get VERY distracting and cause people to start getting worse grades in school, even cutting school just to play. As said many times before, Lineage is an addictive game. Period.
About violence.... well..... that is debatable. Violence is an issue that can be solved many ways:
A: Take blood out totally
B: Same as A but replace all characters with fuzzy pink and blue bunnies with oversized carrots as well
C: Change the face of the game (remove most violent aspects)
D: Same as C but more GMs to monitor not only global chat but whispers, and maybe even regular chat.
E: Well... OK I am out of ideas for now.

About in-game/out-game trades and gambling, that can not be helped.
Any gane can produce the same effectson any one person. This really should not be an issue unless people are loosing eyes, ears, arms, legs, or their life.

Ok I think im done :)

October 18, 2002 02:26 am ET (#31)

PEACEnLOVE
Loyal Fan
8 posts
09-30-02

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
damn..i'm only 15 T____T
o well..no 1 cares if it 18+ in canada game rooms anyways sooo WHO CARES!

i love this kind of jokes..makes me laf! haha
i tell other people..they think *LINEAGE IS A PORNO GAME*

April29

October 18, 2002 03:37 am ET (#32)

Toi
Loyal Fan
79 posts
09-21-02

amer and radiation do have good points on the age issue, i wonder if alot of the rascism especially on test would disapear if the kids were stopped from playing? this may be a good expirement ^^

October 18, 2002 03:45 am ET (#33)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

#30
um,u can turn the violent(blood or no blood) on/off
I think they r concern about lin related R/L gang conflicts
those happens quite a few in kor,jap,tw

.....................
some1 16yrs old dude just jumped of a 20storie building in hk couple days ago,cuz his online game acc got hacked,and lost him "super weapon"
I think NC is kinda aware of that incident too........................

October 18, 2002 05:25 am ET (#34)

OYE
Loyal Fan
74 posts
10-11-01

Now u will see more korean kids login to US server -.-

October 18, 2002 06:37 am ET (#35)

Cogency
Loyal Fan
64 posts
12-05-01

I think lineage should be 21+....

look at deps chat... that tells enough...

October 18, 2002 11:02 am ET (#36)

Loki
Loyal Fan
14 posts
09-11-02

Well ESRB has rated lineage with a teen rating in north america, just look at your ep 11 cd covers (if u actually got it ^^) though i guess korean rating system is different from that one, but the violence and whatnot in lineage is a lot tamer than in some games u can buy in america (GTA3, UT, Max Payne, most fps's for that matter ^^) and others.

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