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April 30, 2002 02:47 pm ET - research by Melantus
Veteran Questions - Part 5
It's getting really good!

What exactly is the bonus for partying? With a prince? And do you plan to develop a party loot system?
Without a prince there is a very small percentage bonus when in a group. This bonus depends on the number of people in the group. It is not nearly as much as when a prince or princess leads the group.

With a prince or princess in the group, there is an additional 5 percent experience bonus added. So a monster giving out 100 experience points total (just an example) would then give out 105 experience. The experience is divided among the players based upon a percentage scale for their level.

Will we be getting the str/to hit bonuses currently being discussed? Are you guys testing those now as you are the dex/AC bonus?

We are still discussing other changes besides the dex/AC one you mentioned. Part of the dex/AC change has already gone in, and the other part is in the process of being worked out here. This whole process of getting and reviewing the updates from the Korean team is something we are reviewing and trying to refine.

What is the % chance of overzeling items (bone, elven, non-elven) and also what are the chances of +1, 2, 3 on a b-scroll?
The chance of successfully enchanting non-bone armor above the safe max enchantment is 1 over the current enchant level. Ex: to make a +5 from a +4 is a 25% chance. (1/4) To make a +7 from a +6 is a 16.6% chance (1/6).

The chance of successfully over-enchanting a weapon is 1 in 3 or 33% chance. Weapons can safely be enchanted up to +6. If using a bless scroll when trying to enchant, +7 can be safely reached if the weapon was at +5. If using a bless scroll in the enchant attempt is done when the weapon is at +4, a possible +7 can be safely reached (3 is the max). It is probably more cost effective however to do regular enchants.

This is very important: You cannot get +2 or +3 from a blessed scroll, if the item is at it¡¯s max safe enchant level or more (+6 is the max safe enchant level). If it is +7 or higher, you will only get +1 for a bless attempt.

If the item is +9 (or above) there is generally a chance of about half the time getting either +0 or +1 (if successful at all). So at +9, there would be a chance about a third of the time that the weapon would not blow up. Now with that success, it is checked about half the time to possibly get +0, or about half the time to get +1. The check needs to first pass the "about a third of the time", and then the "about half the time" to get a +1 at 9 or higher. The +0 is a success, it just gave +0 as the success amount.

So to summarize, here is what happens on an enchant attempt with no bless scrolls used:

Success of enchanting at +7 or higher is first counted as "successful" about a third of the time. Weapons that are +9 or higher have to then go through an additional check, or about half the time (roughly) the success being +1. The other half (roughly) would be +0 and no actual gain.

The importance of the bless scrolls is when they can be used. Players must determine if they are cost effective or not. Certainly at the right time, and if a player has possession of one, then try it.

What are the "hit rolls" for each weapon?
Basically each weapon has a possible damage amount that it can do. The damage will fall somewhere between the minimum that the weapon can do and it¡¯s maximum, affected by other factors such as opponent¡¯s abilities/armor (if the weapon does hit. A miss results in zero damage). We aren¡¯t going to list out the exact ¡°damage rolls¡± for each weapon, but a few of the fan sites are pretty accurate in their estimates.

Mel I really want to know what blessed weapons and armor do for you EXACTLY. So people say they are harder to drop others say they are good against undead (armor protection vs undead/ weapon better damage). I have tested the weapon theory on a bunch of ghouls, I took a +7 b-katana and a +6 sls and the sls kills faster hands down. As far as blessed armor items¡¦I cant really see a difference.
Bless weapons do extra damage against undead and demons, which includes baphomet (the amount is somewhat small per hit). Bless does better damage to ghouls then silver, because ghouls are undead but don't hate silver (the only undead monster that does not hate silver).

There is no effect against undead with blessed armor.

April 30, 2002 02:54 pm ET (#1)
Mort
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34 posts
11-15-01

First post i think hehe.

Mel is doing a great job in answering the questions so far.

April 30, 2002 03:00 pm ET (#2)
SynCaine
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4 posts
03-07-02

I am a bit confused, does that mean blessed armor is the same as reg armor? I highly doubt this, but he did not answer what the true bonus of it is....

April 30, 2002 03:18 pm ET (#3)
StormTrooper
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13 posts
12-11-01

He only said there is no effect against UNDEAD with blessed armor. We all know the prefix 'blessed' always gives a bonus, so there must be one.

April 30, 2002 03:18 pm ET (#4)
XEliteMageX
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12 posts
02-08-02

His reply on blessed scrolls is wrong....I used a B-zel on my +5PGs and they went +7

April 30, 2002 03:22 pm ET (#5)
Ragge
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33 posts
04-29-02

he only talked about weapons.

April 30, 2002 03:23 pm ET (#6)
Ragge
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33 posts
04-29-02

>.< he said item.but then it ONLY was +5 p-g not +7 or higher

April 30, 2002 03:25 pm ET (#7)
karrot
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47 posts
04-24-02

XEliteMageX
Quote by Mel:
"This is very important: You cannot get +2 or +3 from a blessed scroll, if the item is at it¡¯s max safe enchant level or more (+6 is the max safe enchant level). If it is +7 or higher, you will only get +1 for a bless attempt."

If u still didnt get that I dont know what.

April 30, 2002 03:27 pm ET (#8)
FooChild
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8 posts
01-28-02

He was definatly talking about just weapons as far as the b-dai thing goes. (notice how he said "+6 is the max safe enchant level.")

Im actually surprised that the chances of success are so good. 1/3. I can understand why they wouldn't want to let people skip right up to a +9 weapon by b-daing a +7. Wish my friend and i knew this when we b-daied a +7yumi and it went +8... We thought we were just unlucky. DOH!

April 30, 2002 03:30 pm ET (#9)
DrewPIsMe
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35 posts
03-21-02

Since when do ghouls not hate silver? Is that a fact, or just for lineage? Or am I just an idiot for wondering this?

April 30, 2002 03:32 pm ET (#10)
karrot
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47 posts
04-24-02

Well P-G is an Elven Item if I m not mistaken the safest it can be enchanted is what???? its not unusuall to get a +7PG if he b-zeled it from a +5PG

April 30, 2002 04:06 pm ET (#11)
Etikilam
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381 posts
02-12-02

+4 is the safe enchant for pg...

April 30, 2002 04:18 pm ET (#12)
mp3
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193 posts
02-12-02

....

April 30, 2002 04:21 pm ET (#13)
Elbryan
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180 posts
01-21-02

p-g is not 'Elven' in that it doesn't have a safe enchant limit of +6.

April 30, 2002 04:46 pm ET (#14)
karrot
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47 posts
04-24-02

Oh my bad! I guess my brain is all juggled up from vacation

April 30, 2002 05:06 pm ET (#15)
aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

#13)P-g are not elven??? Why does P-g not have a safe enchant level of +6? <scratches head>

Someone please explain.

April 30, 2002 05:18 pm ET (#16)
acidtrance
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63 posts
02-25-02

P-G's have a safe enchant level of 4. armor items with enchant levels of 6 have to have the word "Elven" in their name. (i.e. Elven Shield, Elven Cloak) There is one exception and I think it's Bless of elm

April 30, 2002 06:01 pm ET (#17)
RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

Only elfs can wear a boe duh. It has to be elven. All classes can use an oak staff =p hehehe

I want to know why gouls like silver. Did they have alot of silverwear in their past lives. Werewolfs should hate silver! Why does undead hate silver in the first place? Are clawing claws considered undead? They are choped off hands of greedy people. (ghouls have 1 hand!) they are liveing dead hands. Undead!

PS: Germines are not baby goblins! What are succbuss doing in dvc? They should all go to hell along with bapho.

Also I belive that elven cloak should also regain an elf's mp.



April 30, 2002 07:00 pm ET (#18)
s1011112
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75 posts
06-21-02

this should have a SEVERE impact on the price of b-tsurugi and b-kat

April 30, 2002 07:02 pm ET (#19)
EdgyAsHell
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128 posts
10-11-01

So having a weapon go from +8 to +9 is at same probability as +6 to +7?

April 30, 2002 07:20 pm ET (#20)
s1011112
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75 posts
06-21-02

Hm....so:
For armours:
To enchant from +4 to:
+5 = 1/4 = 25.00%
+6 = 1/20 = 5.00%
+7 = 1/120 = 0.83%
+8 = 1/840 = 0.12%
To enchant from +6 to:
+7 = 1/6 = 16.66%
+8 = 1/42 = 2.38%
+9 = 1/336 = 0.30%
+10 = 1/3024 = 0.03%


For Weapons:
To enchant from +6 to:
+7 = 1/3 = 33.33%
+8 = 1/9 = 11.11%
+9 = 1/27 = 3.70%
+10 = 1/162 = 0.62%

So i'd have to blow up 839 +4 DSM's for 1 +8...and 161 +6 b-DS's for 1 +10..T.T

April 30, 2002 07:27 pm ET (#21)
s1011112
Loyal Fan

75 posts
06-21-02

He didn't say that b-dai/zel is the same as a n-dai/zel at max safe dai/zel levels....I would guess that b-scrolls have a better chance for +1 than n-scrolls....my question is by how much '.'?

also, notice he didnt answer the last part of the original question:

"also what are the chances of +1, 2, 3 on a b-scroll?"

April 30, 2002 08:02 pm ET (#22)
Li
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62 posts
03-05-02

so...basically....b-weapons will hit more than n-weapons on undead....
but will b-weapons stronger than silver/mith/ori weapons on undead?????
for example: rap better or b-kat better on a dv skel?..- -"

...damn..i better party with my prince and princess to hunt...get bonus exp ^^
and..eh..easier too hehe

and..what he means "part" of the dex/ac bonus went in?

April 30, 2002 08:56 pm ET (#23)
RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

We want a scrool of bless! make giren cave boss drop it!

April 30, 2002 09:28 pm ET (#24)
Li
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62 posts
03-05-02

giran cave dont have boss monster...
....and what is scrool of bless?....

April 30, 2002 09:43 pm ET (#25)
Vail
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260 posts
02-27-02

#2/3 No, the prefix doesn't mean anything. There is no prefix anyways. It will just for example say +0 Plate Mail, but it will have a Blessed glow around it. So mel is right, Blessed Armors don't do anything.

#4 +5 isn't the safe max enchant Level, so getting +2 from a Blessed Scroll is possible, like in your case.

#17 Baphomet was trapped by Gunter and Gereng in 2f TI caves. That's why he's not in hell.

Melantus, I'm a Princess, so if I hunt with a Prince, do we both still get bonus Exp, or do we cancel each other out?

Everyone, think of it like this, Blessed Weapons do the same damage as normal to undead, but they get +1~2 damage because they are Blessed. Certainly you've all noticed that Ghouls take longer to kill than other Undead Monsters.

April 30, 2002 11:38 pm ET (#26)
Arkaine
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153 posts
04-23-02

#20 mel says that a +9 weap would blow up a third of the time thats 33.3% not 3.70%

"So at +9, there would be a chance about a third of the time that the weapon would not blow up."

May 01, 2002 12:10 am ET (#27)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

#25 why did they trap him? not easyer to let him go to hell (:
HEHEHE! no... I ment to say that they should go to hell when hell comes up! Im not talking about what happend.

#24 Blah Li those where my ideas. Make a scrool of bless and make a boss of giren cave!

Who here hunts giren cave?!?!?! what noone? or just sometimes to explore? Damn... Giren cave is useless. How about a nice boss! maybe one as strong as elindare but make him look like a earth necromencer.

Giren cave is just a waste of space now...

May 01, 2002 12:21 am ET (#28)
Dust
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150 posts
01-29-02

Earth necro?
plzzzzzz...! make some new boss.
i want to see some new pixels on my screen instead of those ones. I've seen those Necros too much in giran when people polymorph into them.

May 01, 2002 12:21 am ET (#29)
shoyo
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86 posts
04-25-02

... before the cave/bookmark update giran cave is a good place for high lvl players, now only like mage can camp at lvl 4 hunting doggie and dark elf... but anyway.... giran cave isn't useless. it's a place for ppl to hunt doggie and dark elf and lvl up and make money.....

May 01, 2002 12:38 am ET (#30)
Rincewind
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279 posts
02-12-02

This was a good one, but he STILL didn't tell us the chances of +1-3 on a b-scroll. -.-

May 01, 2002 01:34 am ET (#31)
BitemyBallz
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4 posts
04-30-02

its prolly random...

May 01, 2002 01:35 am ET (#32)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

Giren cave is useless! not totaly useless but the lest used place.

#28 We have necro morph but no necro mops... we need necro mops. want good grafics make them use cool spells. want realy good grafics wait for lineage 2

May 01, 2002 03:16 am ET (#33)
h2ombre
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333 posts
02-28-02

No necro mops? You ever hunt Caspa and Company? And b-scrolls dont randomly give 1-3. Random would imply 1/3 chance of +3. This is definitely not the case.

May 01, 2002 03:43 am ET (#34)
Vail
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260 posts
02-27-02

#27 There's only supposed to be one Baphomet in Lineage though...And he's trapped. Forever. There is Necromancer MOPs. There's one called The Necromancer on 6f ML caves, as well as a Dark Elder in Dragon Valley, and Caspa, Merkyor, Sema, and Baltuzar on 3f~5f ML Caves.

H2ombre, random could be anything. It could be 1/1000 chance of +3. It would still be random. As long as there's a chance.

May 01, 2002 05:43 am ET (#35)
h2ombre
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333 posts
02-28-02

Websters defines "random" as "Of or relating to an event in which all outcomes are equally likely." Also defined as "Having no specific pattern." Thus if NC has set +3 to 1/1000 there would be a pattern...not random.


#26 A +6 rap will dai straight to +9 3% of the time. A +8 rap will dai to +9 33% of the time.

May 02, 2002 12:49 am ET (#36)
RGConqueror
Loyal Fan

221 posts
03-22-02

Im talking about the elemental necromencers. Elindare is a water necromencer i think. And Bapho should be freed by other evil demons. All Im trying to say is that we need more plot! STOP PICKING ON ME! t.t

May 02, 2002 11:20 am ET (#37)
gigi
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641 posts
05-01-02

elindare got removed....
beleth is fire element
bapho is earth element
dark elder is air element
well...caspa and his gang..is..you know...all elements o.o....

May 02, 2002 06:50 pm ET (#38)
aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

So what is Death Knight, Dead Element?

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