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April 29, 2002 09:36 pm ET - research by NCSoft - Austin

Publish Announcement

The following changes will be published on Tuesday, April 30 2002 during the 10:00 am US central time maintenance:

A bug with the mage set of armor has been corrected. Players will no longer lose mana when restarted while wearing this armor.
Haste will not continue to affect a resurrected monster, unless hasted again after the resurrection.
Corrected a bug where the monster damage animation was playing even if a -miss- instead of a hit occurred.
Fixed a bug with dog names reverting back to the original name.
Corrected a bug with the enchanter and polymorpher NPC payments.
Corpse decay is now between 45 and 60 seconds for monsters, and 5 minutes for dogs.
The vendor named -Buakheu- sells Bless of Eva for 330 adena.
A new animation for character level-up was added.
The magic gem requirement for making elven wafer was removed.
The -go on alert- option was removed from the dog control menu.
Tsurugi is now one-handed.
Some new items have been added to Lineage. We will allow for player discovery to announce what these items are.
Specific -boss- monsters have been rebalanced. This rebalancing can possibly include loot, strength, and spawn times. The monsters changed are: Baphomet, Beleth, Necromancer, Giant Ant Queen, Death Knight.
Arena rental re-activated.

April 29, 2002 09:37 pm ET (#1)

Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

COOOOOOOL 1 HAND TSU

April 29, 2002 09:39 pm ET (#2)

L
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481 posts
01-16-02

cool o.o

April 29, 2002 09:39 pm ET (#3)

Admah02
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73 posts
01-13-02

cool

April 29, 2002 09:39 pm ET (#4)

vinsma
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15 posts
04-12-02

o.o there goes ppls +9kat/rap

April 29, 2002 09:40 pm ET (#6)

Admah02
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73 posts
01-13-02

mm ant queen got stronger yikes >_<

April 29, 2002 09:43 pm ET (#8)

BloodLusts
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313 posts
01-26-02

Heh I dont care anymore about DEP =)
TEST BABY TEST !!!!

April 29, 2002 09:48 pm ET (#9)

JeffKash
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37 posts
04-04-02

Wait... they're making Ant Queen and DK harder? The bapho thing if fine, u know, better drops and whatnot, but Ant Queen was plenty hard before..

April 29, 2002 09:52 pm ET (#10)

ZPsyMageZ
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110 posts
12-01-01

DK = super drake o.o

April 29, 2002 09:53 pm ET (#11)

KnightSpirit
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137 posts
04-27-02

TSU going to 1 handed = biggest mistake NCI !!!EVER!!! made

April 29, 2002 09:59 pm ET (#13)

Scaleb
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224 posts
10-24-01

Mebe their just changing GAQ's drops? hope so, she hurts :(

Spose the new items are the rings and belts? Are the rings any use yet?
Hope the new spells come in, even if they're just new attack spells that don't do much special....

April 29, 2002 10:03 pm ET (#14)

Zeela
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16 posts
04-23-02

"Go on alert" is being REMOVED???!!! Why? This is a good feature of dogs and tamed monsters. Grrrr.....

April 29, 2002 10:21 pm ET (#15)

h2ombre
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333 posts
02-28-02

KnightSpirit i remember when they made TSU 2-handed, everyone proclaimed "TSU 2-HANDED = BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER"

April 29, 2002 10:29 pm ET (#17)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

HAHAHA...I MADE TSU 1WEEK BEFORE THEY CHANGE IT TO 1HAND HAHAHAHAHA
1week before this update...
i see ppl say "trade +7tsu for +7rap/kat whisper me" in global chat LOL
now...i see ppl say "trade +7tsu for coi (4) + +7kat +adena" in global LOL
how ironic LOL

April 29, 2002 10:31 pm ET (#18)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

HAHAHAHA...dang..i better stop laughing HAHAHAHA...
better + my tsu and kick some major *** hehe

April 29, 2002 10:35 pm ET (#19)

SolidSoul
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47 posts
02-17-02

.... lol!! im gonna quit O_O

April 29, 2002 10:40 pm ET (#20)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

how's that giran arena rental works again?....

April 29, 2002 10:45 pm ET (#21)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

Sad NCI....makes big mistakes

April 29, 2002 10:45 pm ET (#22)

QueenNina
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197 posts
10-31-01

oooooooooonnnnnneeeeee hhhhhhhaaaaaaannnnndddddddeeeeddd tttttssssuuuuuu!!!!
yyyyyyyeeeeeessssss!!!!
best update ever!!!

April 29, 2002 10:48 pm ET (#23)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

1 handed tsu... Nsoft realy needs smarter people runing the game. Only a small minority of knights that have a tsu will like this update. Not all knights or even 1/2 like nsoft thinks. Alot of people are going to quit now.

April 29, 2002 10:50 pm ET (#24)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

I mean they didnt even tell us they were gona change it! They chould have given us a chance to prepare.

April 29, 2002 10:51 pm ET (#25)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

LoL. I don't play USA server (I wish I could), so can someone post pictures of all the dead bodies and mad PKing that will happen? Most appreciated =)

April 29, 2002 10:54 pm ET (#26)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

...Read the Discussion on the post about 1 handed Tsuragi being put in on Test. It's like a tennis match. It just keeps going back and forth, but of course, Venus is rigged to lose...

April 29, 2002 10:54 pm ET (#27)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

So where's our dex update?..................................
It would give everyone a nice boost *Note* Keyword = EVERYONE unlike tsu being only for knights.

RG: They noticed us... 1 day advance for our panicing needs.... wooooo way to go NC.
Don't flame me saying i was for the 2 handed tsu cuz I DON'T HAVE A KNIGHT AND I CARE LESS IF IT'S 1 OR 2 HANDS

April 29, 2002 10:55 pm ET (#28)

Pooch
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-10-01

Lol...it is very funny. Everyone whined when it went 2 handed, yet I didn't care. I made one as soon as I could, have used one since. This just benefits me further. And no more people will die...8-9 ac doesn't make much difference really, it's all about the damage the tsu does. Silly people who whine about this don't know the stats and the actual effect. Tsu is very strong without shield, this just turns it into a hunting sword too. Anyone who would quit because they "don't get their way" is better off quitting and going and hiding under their security blanket somewhere else. Grow up people.

April 29, 2002 10:55 pm ET (#29)

kingslei
Loyal Fan
146 posts
01-04-02

I want new spells

April 29, 2002 11:01 pm ET (#30)

sikrob
Loyal Fan
98 posts
04-03-02

anyone here play test? what exactly did they do to dk and ant queen? oh and man i remember trying to sell my +7 tsurugi about one month ago and not getting ANY whispers...now, itll probobly sell for some serious adena. damn it!!! oh well

April 29, 2002 11:12 pm ET (#31)

AdaM
Loyal Fan
34 posts
04-26-02

I just bought a +7 B-Tsurugi for 13.7 million... Worth it? Better hope NCI doesn't change the update back to leaving it Two-Handed or I'll be super pissed. NCI has been messin round with updates lately and if it stays 2-handed even after it claimed on official site, I'm gonna seriously demand some money back from loss >.<

April 29, 2002 11:17 pm ET (#32)

Elbryan
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180 posts
01-21-02

BTW new comic out...

April 29, 2002 11:22 pm ET (#33)

EcKs
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154 posts
04-17-02

13.7 million??? So that means +0 b-tsu is around 11-12 million? o.O

April 29, 2002 11:26 pm ET (#34)

aupairKing
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320 posts
03-11-02

Bapho drops Bologna sandwiches now

April 29, 2002 11:32 pm ET (#35)

KnightSpirit
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137 posts
04-27-02

---------
KnightSpirit i remember when they made TSU 2-handed, everyone proclaimed "TSU 2-HANDED = BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER"
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everyone?
half said tsu should be 1 handed, the half who didn't want 1 hand just didn't care and didn't say anything... no point

But now that tsu is going 1 handed, it is outragous

Go on the servers, take a look around, everybody is selling their +8/9 kat/rap, nobody is buying.
This update just killed everybody with them
The economy if finished
the game balance is finished

If you are again'st what i just said, it is obvious that you do not have a +8/9 kat/rap so you do not understand what is happening..

April 29, 2002 11:39 pm ET (#36)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

What game balance?
There weren't no in the first place
Majority of the updates were on knights and mages
What? they put in an EF but then they totally forgotten elves. And about prince/ss, sure they can make pledge and siege but what else they got? Some crappy ac and wep and nothing to make them any strong. How many knights are 50+ and how many prince/ss is 50+? Balance..... HA

Flame on.

April 29, 2002 11:50 pm ET (#37)

duncan3
Loyal Fan
56 posts
01-09-02

OK, lets break this down...

TSU:
500 ORI = 250 rough * 500 = 125K
TQD is 200k, and the other gems are much cheaper, so figure 1.5M for the gems.
30 ash, which i've seen for ~10k, so another 375k.

So a +0 TSU should go for about 2M. +6 for 2.5M.

April 30, 2002 12:19 am ET (#38)

SELain
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-06-02

Re post #32 NC has said the each class has its ups and downs. Of Course knights will have a damn hard hit, Elves get the Dex/AC thing. Princes are supposed to be group hunters. the reason knights are 50 and no princes is because noone wants to put in the dedication. Why don't you?

April 30, 2002 12:22 am ET (#39)

Tense
Loyal Fan
22 posts
01-28-02

Actually, now that it is one-handed, t-q-d will go back up to about 750k each, which means epm and tsu prices gonna go way high, and many ppl gonna try to dai them to +8/9 now.
Lucky people like DDiBral have +8 B-Tsu right now, and he must be loving it.

Also for SELain, the dex/ac update is for every class, and nobody gets elfs to 50+ because they suck, and have no benefits from being 50+.

April 30, 2002 12:27 am ET (#40)

Tense
Loyal Fan
22 posts
01-28-02

In the end a +7 tsu will be about 5 t-q-d (3250k) + 250 mith (250k) + 30 ash (1500k) + other gems about 50k.

This is what the prices are going to end up being, because everyone will be making their own tsurugis.

If you add up all of that it comes out to about 5000k for +0, and about 6500k-7000k for +7.

April 30, 2002 12:30 am ET (#41)

dracolyte
Loyal Fan
16 posts
12-29-01

it pays to be prepared for EXPECTED updates, while everyone is bad mouthing tsu and everyone didn't bother making or buying it some people made one anyway just in case NCI might change it in the future. Tsu is not hard to make anyways.

You have only urself to blame if u don't have one o.o

April 30, 2002 12:34 am ET (#42)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

Look...people....stop saying elves get dex/ac thing..
1) Not all elves are dex elves
2) All classes get dex/ac bonus

Also, a while ago someone said Kr has one handed tsu because people overthere have ACs in the negative 60s. So think about this. Most people in USA have something around -4x to early -5x AC. How much damage a kat/rap does to them is probably the same as how much a tsu does to a -6x ac knight. Maybe. So now that NC does this.....screw all you -5x AC people...it doesn't matter anymore.

So then...for all you people worrying about the damage tsu does....when dex/ac comes to USA (I'm laughing SO HARD) damage will probably balance out. There is only one drawback in this whole case, and that is..... bye bye +9 rap/kat.

April 30, 2002 12:36 am ET (#43)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

1k each mith, 625k each tqd, 50k each ash!??!?!??!?!?!
wow, you have gone WAYYYYYY off the edge
allow me to make some corrections =]
500 each mith (125k)
20k each ash (600k)
400k each tqd (2000k)
30k rest of gems (30k)
try adding that up =]
a little less than 3000k
add 500k for initial dais
add price of 2 b-dais (usually one will work =) (1300k)
that comes to a grand total of 4500k to 5000k

Well, I feel that this price is a little more down to earth =)

April 30, 2002 12:40 am ET (#44)

vinsma
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-12-02

i only wish that NC had made this decision sooner ... now it seems like they are tryin to correct a mistake they made earlier ...

April 30, 2002 12:42 am ET (#45)

tlhung
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102 posts
12-07-01

Which server does this implements? Ken/Dep or Test? sorry for being confused

April 30, 2002 12:46 am ET (#46)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

all

April 30, 2002 12:46 am ET (#47)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

where is my ac/dex update o.o

April 30, 2002 12:49 am ET (#48)

AdaM
Loyal Fan
34 posts
04-26-02

Here is what I found out from doing a little testing:
Using 20 CON KNIGHT:
+9 KAT : 23 per hit average
+9 BTSU : 25 per hit average
Using 20 STR KNIGHT:
+9 KAT : 24 per hit average
+9 BTSU : 27~29 per hit average
So which is better? Tsu or Kat?
(I can't say Rap b/c I haven't heard of any Rap comparison and don't use +9 Rap)

April 30, 2002 12:57 am ET (#49)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

Uh....how do you get a CON 20 knight? Do you mean con 18? or areyou a secret level 52?

April 30, 2002 01:17 am ET (#50)

Dein
Loyal Fan
77 posts
02-08-02

everyone quitting over 1h tsu and bb cooking Phoenix please dontate your stuff to me, I could really use it to buy the last 2 tqd's i need for my tsu. Thanks!

April 30, 2002 01:36 am ET (#51)

nihiliumdefence
Loyal Fan
51 posts
03-21-02

they arent gonna make ant quene harder... maybe just "rebalance" the loot and spawn times... :)

April 30, 2002 02:11 am ET (#52)

AdaM
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34 posts
04-26-02

yah 18 con kngiht oops

April 30, 2002 02:34 am ET (#53)

Orcide
Loyal Fan
162 posts
10-05-01

1 handed tsu IS a big mistake from NCI reasons :

1) ppl wastet millions and millions making other +9 sword
2) ppl wastet millions and millions making great ac (+2 hit bonus tsu makes that a waste)
3) tsu hits too hard if combined in melee combat (like 5:1 in sieges = SUPER waste of pots (clears)).

overall, i wont go sieges with my knight nomore, simply dosnt pay off, ill go on mage and w-b some ppl instead, and use money to make +9 raps and pots and get to lvl 52 or sumthing.

April 30, 2002 02:55 am ET (#55)

SELain
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-06-02

Re Post 35, I know it affects all classes, but dex elf is most effected by it. I don't know what the point of saying elves suck was though... I never even said they ruled. just that dex elves got the benefit of Dex/AC

April 30, 2002 03:19 am ET (#56)

DrowElf
Loyal Fan
76 posts
01-16-02

Tlhung (#41) I'm pretty sure this affects both Ken and Dep server.

Knight (#39) I'd expect the prices of those items to increase a little more than that, especially the mith. But then again, noone will know until they change it and the everything straightens out.

One think I think NC should do is to increase the mith drops. That's an esential item in elven stuff, and is dropped WAY too infrequently. I want to make some mith arrows cuz of the increased damage, but can't afford to make arrows out of roughs that sell for over 500a each.

April 30, 2002 03:23 am ET (#57)

Arkaine
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153 posts
04-23-02

knight(#39) i play on test and duncan(#36) has the prices closer to what they are on test cept mith cuz thats dropped so frequently on test...but tqd is like 600-700k

April 30, 2002 03:25 am ET (#58)

Pooch
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-10-01

Not really the place for those comments Orcide, that's personal.

And it doesn't make other +8-9 weaps useless. The people who are crying about this are the people who spent a lot on +8-9 weaps...+8-9 rap still great for hunting/leveling. kat loses a little in general but still good big mop sword. And it's only 2-3 hp a swing max anyway. ;p

This game is greatly about adjustment...so adjust. I personally never expected it to go 1h after they chose to make it 2h here, but I've used one anyway because they were underrated. I'm disappointed in a way it's going 2h 'cause now all the ignorant people will see the light. But it benefits me as well so I don't mind terribly..that's just the game. The only thing it really changes in duel and hunting. in siege, if you get hit with 4-5 tsus, REGARDLESS of whether that person is wearing a shield, it blows pots and makes you tele, that doesn't change with equipping a stupid shield. Nothing really changes in siege, it's all about 1vs1 and hunting practicality. Use a tsu for a while and you'll learn this.

April 30, 2002 03:27 am ET (#59)

Pooch
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-10-01

I mean really, some of the most powerful duel/siege chars used 2hs before tsu came here...shield is NOT that important for PvP stuff.

April 30, 2002 03:56 am ET (#60)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

mmmm.....mmmm...... do ppl lose exp in an arena fight in giran o.O?

April 30, 2002 04:29 am ET (#61)

GovernMent
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-30-02

It won't really matter. Making it one handed does not change any of the damage it does. So the knights will still do just as much damage during seiges and besides you mages can use para and freeze them instant death in seige if they dont venz

April 30, 2002 04:45 am ET (#62)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

nice time to camp bapho now ^^

April 30, 2002 09:50 am ET (#63)

Pooch
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-10-01

Also, in reply to post #27...Adam, what server did you pay almost 14m for a +7 b-tsu on? o.O

April 30, 2002 09:58 am ET (#64)

vlingd
Loyal Fan
4 posts
02-03-02

FINALLY TSU IS 1H NOW PUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ^_^

April 30, 2002 10:07 am ET (#65)

Apho
Loyal Fan
3 posts
04-30-02

I hate to tell you guys that DEX/AC Bonus just came in today on all JPservers!!
,,but I ain't an elf and my mage only has 10DEX T,T

April 30, 2002 10:14 am ET (#66)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

Thanks FlyZ, I'm glad someone finally noticed that the Prince/ss Class never gets sh-t, and it never has, ever since I started playing Lineage. (A long, long, long, long, long time ago) However, those "Totally forgotten Elves" just recently got their Elven Wafers, and their Yumi's, not to mention the Dex Update that is coming soon, which does the most god for Dex Elves.

#32 Yes, each Class has its ups and downs. The problem is that some (Knights and Mages) have VERY high ups and VERY few lows. Prince/ss and Elves have only 1~2 ups (If that) and everything else is a low.

#33/34 They might've been that much, but with fafurion getting killed so much, there's been alot more Tsurugis floating around.

#38 No, not everyone in Korea has -6x AC. That's just what everyone likes to think. Korea has it's mid-level and newbie players too. It's just has more high-Level players as well. The Koreans aren't that great. Add a year to all the US Servers, and things would be the same. (Given we had as many registered users) Furthermore, even if the dex Update is for all Classes, it means very little to those who aren't Dex Elves. With my 10 Dex, I'll be lucky to get a whopping +1 AC. Wow.

#44 20 Con Knight...Right. 20 con Knight, 50 Con Knight, does it matter? It could be anything as long as it doesn't have 20 Str.

And who cares what the prices are on the Test Server. The economy there is next to dead anyways.

April 30, 2002 10:34 am ET (#67)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

HAHAHAHAHA SELain you crack me up
Prince has group hunters? LOL
that's exactly the point they don't lvl because they level VERY SLOWLY BECAUSE they don't have jack shit (i'm not swearing against no one).
They level significantly slower compared to knights because they don't have BRAVES and GOOD WEP besides a KAT.

Vail: Elves are still very unbalanced because of the wafers.
How easy is it to get a brave and how easy is to get a fruit? Elves also don't go at the same speed as braves. But the updates would make them 1 step closer to the unbalanced mages and knights. That step is still far far FAR away from balancing tho.

Flame on.

April 30, 2002 10:55 am ET (#68)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

You mean because of the Wafers or even though they have the Wafers? I know Fruit is kinda hard to get, but I'm not a Knight or an Elf, I'm a Princess, so I don't get either. However, with Wafers, they swing nearly as fast as Knights, since they normally swing faster than Knights to begin with.

SELain I don't know if you noticed, but group hunting really sucks. It's slow too. I was under the impression that Prince/ss was supposed to get bonus Exp when hunting in a Party, but I guess it never happened, because I've never noticed a difference. Also, my normal hunting partner is a Prince, so if we hunted in a Party, would we cancel each other out for that bonus Exp? ^_^

*Sighs* Amer, didn't you say you were gonna filter out all the crap posts? The first 5~10 lines of every thread are still these 1~2 word nonsense lines...Why don't you try to make the Boards have a requirement of posts that are 1-line or longer or something?

April 30, 2002 11:29 am ET (#69)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

ehh?
adam... +9 btsu
why does that just sound so much like a lie to me...

April 30, 2002 11:29 am ET (#70)

aupairKing
Loyal Fan
320 posts
03-11-02

Hey guys!!!

its just a game. So much emotion over imaginary money and weapons.

Good God!

April 30, 2002 01:42 pm ET (#71)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

em...vail....if it's more than 1line requirement..i think they'll do this:
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okay...i think that's what they'll do...so 1 line will becomes...10lines...
but then again..im the first one in this thread to start 5lines of opinions...
oh well....the first 5 posts r usually spam anyway....

April 30, 2002 02:30 pm ET (#72)

The Shadow
Loyal Fan
16 posts
04-24-02

Let me start off by saying one thing..wafer now requires no magic gem?...big whoop. Fruit is still hard to come by, and wafers dont last nearly as long as braves. in my opinion, after using 10 wafers i made, i have come to the conclusion that wafers, as they sit now, are not worth the cost/effort to make/use em. I am also sorely disappointed with NC for not doing more for the elf and prince classes....jeesh..i am a lvl 49 dex elf, and would welcome at least a decent morph for us elves. they all suck and at that lvl i should be hunting higher lvl mops. it is apparent NCI has no concrete planning in this game,they listen to some whining for a while, and then change things without reasoning out the consequences of the changes. This one handed change to the tsu will really screw up the economy for items used in the creation of not only the tsu, but other items that use the same ingredients. In reality, I am now paying more for EPM so knights can have a 1 handed sword...penalized again. Plz...someone come up with a better mmorpg game for the Mac platform..i would quit lineage in a heartbeat.

April 30, 2002 02:41 pm ET (#73)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

think of it this way....
+9kat will be cheaper for prince/elves since they cant use tsu...
and knight will rather have tsu than kat....^^

yes i agree with more wafers...well...either more wafers or less braves ^^
that should balance it out haha...maybe remove braves from stores ^^..
and make monsters drop as rare as to the effort of making a wafer ^^

em...braves and wafers r the same duration...of 5minutes...
try use 2wafers and cast a dex spell...both wear off at the same time (10min)
or use 1wafer and a green....both wear off at the same time too (5min)
now...use a brave and a green....wear off at the same time...(5min)
so.in conclusion...wafer = green = brave = haste spell = 5min duration

and...eh...elves are already having some updates....
think of the poor princes(ses) T_T..they get nothing but a crummy sor as a shield....and pm as the best armor...so heavy for them QQ...and to top that off...they cant use rapier against undead...so they are stuck with sls >,<...and for normal small mop dmg they have to use kat ..

April 30, 2002 03:54 pm ET (#74)

BlueMasK
Loyal Fan
110 posts
11-07-01

lol even i quit like 3 week ago i heard the tsu will be 1 hand .. haha how dumb your people didn;t even know that ..

April 30, 2002 03:55 pm ET (#75)

BlueMasK
Loyal Fan
110 posts
11-07-01

i tested a +9Katana & a +7tsu on a -5x knight the damage is
+7tsu do over 100hp up to 108
+9kat do around 86hp..
it was some1's +9katana i give him back after 1min test damage.. <<never own 1..

April 30, 2002 05:44 pm ET (#76)

RGConqueror
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221 posts
03-22-02

Maybe NCI should turn all the bkats into blessed tsus and all the nkats to ntsus

Than everyone will be happy! Great Idea EH!!!! (: (: (: (: (:

April 30, 2002 06:44 pm ET (#77)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

lol.... how bout delete all the + swords and give us daggers?

April 30, 2002 08:06 pm ET (#78)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

...nonono....turn all the ppl's best armor they have..
such as +9epm +5dpm +7pm +6mage set...and other stuff
to leather jacket!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA....MUCH better idea hahahaha

April 30, 2002 08:47 pm ET (#79)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Whats wrong with my idea? Everyone who has a +9bkat should get a +8 or 9 tsu

Its only fair!

April 30, 2002 09:05 pm ET (#80)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

1st of all...
ppl who can AFFORD a +9bkat can afford to make +8/+9tsu...
2nd of all...
it's not fair to people who dont even have a +9bkat yet they save every $$ items they have to make a tsu of their own having their effort wasted
3rd of all...
well...your idea's sorta....you know....doesnt make sense...
cause kat's only useless to mage and knight right now...
but elf and prince still have to use kat...so...sell to those ppl and
get the $$ and buy a +tsu - -"...isnt that the same thing anyway?....

April 30, 2002 09:11 pm ET (#81)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

1st of think of all the people who wasted time geting a +9bkat or +8bkat
+9bkat was worth a +8tsu +8 a +7

now that upgrade changed it to 1 handed the prices changed too quicky.

2nd the people who worried for a few days and tryed to make a tsu is nothing compared to the people who worked hard and already have a +9bkat or a +8 or even 7

3rd Not many princes or elfs play. Most people are knights and im not saying to get rid of kats but to turn them into tsus so that if people got a warring they whould have done that anyway.

4th of your opinion is a opinion of a strong knight with tsu so.. you know...

April 30, 2002 09:59 pm ET (#82)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

Think of it this way Li, those +9 Kats aren't gonna get cheaper because Knights, (Who mkae the majority of weapons on most of the Servers) aren't gonna make them anymore.

April 30, 2002 11:42 pm ET (#83)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

WOW! my +bkat might be worth more than a +8 or even 9 tsu in a year! YAHOO!

Well I was hacked to it doesnt matter for me but it still matters for the rest of linage.

May 01, 2002 12:25 am ET (#84)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

fine then...so many arguing...
nc revert update...make it 2hand again
it wont stop ppl from using it in combat...
then let's see what happen...1h 2h doesnt really matter..
only 1h is useful in hunts...
wars sieges use mad pots use 2h weap no prob

right after update: ppl mad try trade +8/+9kat for +7/+8tsu
30min after update: ppl stop sell +8/+9kat cause no one sell tsu
1hr+ til now after update: no one talks and complain about tsu being 1h in game

May 01, 2002 01:44 am ET (#85)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Wipe everything =p LALALI

May 01, 2002 11:29 am ET (#86)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

Li is right. No one is complaining anymore really. In the past two days (through my own cunning fox-like abilities) I have succesfully traded my +8 rap for a +7 rapier and a +7 tsurugi. This wasn't all at once mind you, but through the trade of may different items many different times. I spent none of my own money really, just the money I made off trading away the +8 rapier. I did have to hunt a lot of mith though >.< But for the sake of everyones curiosity on how much it costs to make one here goes (this is assuming you hunt for your own mith)
1. 5 tqds = 1.9 million and a +5 cop
2. 5 tqes = already had these = )
3. 5 tqrs = had 2, my buddy Obs gave me 3 more. Thanks Obs ^^
4. 5 tqs = bought all 5 for 32k total.
5. 30 ash = ok here kind of tricky cuz i paid all over the board for them, but i will try. 11 ash i already had. bought 4 for 40k. 1 for 15k. 4 for 60k. 8 for 100k, 2 for 40k.
6. b-dai 700k, ndais- 350k.
So making a +0 tsurugi cost me about 2,607,000 to make(your results may differ). So if you are buying one paying 3 mil is a GREAT price since I used alot of items I already had AND hunted my own mith. If you are selling I would try to get at least 4000k, because when you are making you won't be able to find as many good deals as I had, since many were from pledge mates. Plus making one is a HUGE pain in the ass. Thanks and good luck = )

May 01, 2002 10:07 pm ET (#87)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

That was a lucky deal. You only give more power to the compliners!

GO COMPLAINERS! WE RULE!

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