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July 12, 2002 05:35 pm ET - research by amateras
Level 52 Elf on Korean servers
We don't hear much about 50+ elves. Recently, one of the Lineage Playforum reporters named ChungSooAkma as "best player" on Eva server (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051003&kid=1209) in Korea and did a little interview. We translated for aspiring elves.

  • ChungSooAkma has been playing Lineage for about 3 years. His elf is a level 52 STR 18 elf that has -70 AC with only shield spell and he uses a +9 rapier. (It appears he chose +1 STR at level 51 and 52)
  • He died 19 times at level 49, twice at level 50 and once at level 51.
  • Since he's a STR elf, he doesn't have a lot of HP.
  • Level 48 took him 5 months. He feels that the levelling got much easier above 48, despite his trouble at level 49.
  • He likes DK morph and chose the fire magic path to concentrate in damage. He did not get owned 1:1 a DK knight. He starts the duel with cancel. ^^
  • He normally levels by hunting in DVC 5/6f and brings about 260 reds, 10 [greater] haste and 10 wafers.
  • His advice to elves deciding on their path: STR/CON elves should choose fire, DEX elves should choose wind and elves that specialize in support for team hunting should choose water.
  • He doesn't recommend STR elf -- it's just too hard to level up. He says STR elf is only effective if you already have great armor and a great weapon.

July 12, 2002 05:38 pm ET (#1)
Dracimor
Loyal Fan

3 posts
06-25-02

First comment!
Way to go ChungSooAkma!
~D~

July 12, 2002 05:39 pm ET (#2)
Whipits
Loyal Fan

93 posts
01-14-02

woot! first post, that is truly awesome. makes me want to start an elf....lol. that musta been ome hard work

July 12, 2002 05:39 pm ET (#3)
Whipits
Loyal Fan

93 posts
01-14-02

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WAS TOOO SLOW!!!

July 12, 2002 05:39 pm ET (#4)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

Amateras and I noticed that he uses ECM and not EPM.

That must be one hell of an ECM!

July 12, 2002 05:41 pm ET (#5)
Whipits
Loyal Fan

93 posts
01-14-02

i didn't even catch that, i wonder why he does

July 12, 2002 05:42 pm ET (#6)
Dracimor
Loyal Fan

3 posts
06-25-02

heh... 19 deaths had to hurt though
too bad my elf has 15 str -_-;;
im gonna go for wind! Wind Walk~~
~D~

July 12, 2002 05:50 pm ET (#7)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

ring of water and ring of fire...
not sure about his belt o.o...but it does +mp...not sure about hp...probably that too

succ and succ queen is water base...o.o
i wonder how long he last in dvc 5/6f
260reds, 10g-hastes, 10wafers...

-76ac with only 12dex base...which is -69ac base o.o...oh my...
if he can duel a knight....his rap must hurt...+10? +11?
and..i wanna know what elven magics he learned in the fire path

and..em...WHAT stat for elf he recommend for lv to 52? o.o?

July 12, 2002 05:56 pm ET (#8)
PeNTeL
Loyal Fan

299 posts
12-11-01

he has 13 dex...ER is based on dex

July 12, 2002 05:56 pm ET (#9)
brandon
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86 posts
03-31-02

amazing. first elf i ever heard of being 50+, but how can his ER be only 10?
i assume that elfs dont get as much ER as knights?

July 12, 2002 05:58 pm ET (#10)
brandon
Loyal Fan

86 posts
03-31-02

lvl 44 knight with 12 dex has 13 ER. lvl 52 elf with 13 dex has 10 ER? it must
just be that knight gets more ER

July 12, 2002 06:04 pm ET (#11)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

brandon: Elves get 1 ER every 6 levels while knights get 1 ER every 4 levels.

July 12, 2002 06:05 pm ET (#12)
Ranger
Loyal Fan

144 posts
06-21-02

Awesome.

I think he doesn't use ghaste. If he takes 10green and 10wafer that's 50minutes of hunting, that sounds more reasonable than 10ghaste which would be 2.5hrs. I think I'm gonna start lvling elf on DVC5/6 o.O

July 12, 2002 06:06 pm ET (#13)
PeNTeL
Loyal Fan

299 posts
12-11-01

nm...amer corrected me t.t

July 12, 2002 06:15 pm ET (#14)
PuNiSheR
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7 posts
06-14-02

I have a lvl 36 STR knight on Test server that has an ER of 11. Explain that Amer.

July 12, 2002 06:17 pm ET (#15)
PuNiSheR
Loyal Fan

7 posts
06-14-02

One other thing....if elves get 1 ER every 6 lvls then wouldnt he need to be at least 60 to have an ER of 10?

July 12, 2002 06:18 pm ET (#16)
OsirisX
Loyal Fan

18 posts
02-14-02

pentel your so silly

July 12, 2002 06:22 pm ET (#17)
Spyder
Loyal Fan

148 posts
12-04-01

he doesnt have summon either...there go my hopes of ever getting it O.o

July 12, 2002 06:23 pm ET (#18)
mp34567
Loyal Fan

89 posts
06-28-02

Damn did he mention what + his armour was? ill bet ya the ecm is like +9 and the usal stuff all +6 anyone wanna try to calculate what he has?

July 12, 2002 06:25 pm ET (#19)
Tweak
Loyal Fan

456 posts
10-21-01

man 410hp, AN ELF with ****REDS**** POTITONS HUNTING SUCC wth o.o

July 12, 2002 06:26 pm ET (#20)
xenos
Loyal Fan

7 posts
07-01-02

props

July 12, 2002 06:35 pm ET (#21)
Ranger
Loyal Fan

144 posts
06-21-02

+8ts = -8
+9ES = -11
+9ECM = -14
+8ib = -11
+8COP = -11
+7pg = -7
+9BOE = -11
Dex/AC = -8
That's only -71ac .. he has a 4ac better than that w/o shield -_-

And that looks like belt of mind(50mp) to me.

July 12, 2002 06:36 pm ET (#22)
Doomscythe
Loyal Fan

1155 posts
03-21-02

Yea i think he uses regular greens... look at has fast key bar... there are regular greens... and IM ANGRY AT WHOEVER HACKED ME!!!

July 12, 2002 06:39 pm ET (#23)
QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan

173 posts
02-05-02

Damn that's expensive AC... and here I am a lowly poor lvl 46 mage trying HARD to get all his items to +5!! LOL!!

July 12, 2002 06:39 pm ET (#24)
QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan

173 posts
02-05-02

Damn that's expensive AC... and here I am a lowly poor lvl 46 mage trying HARD to get all his items to +5!! LOL!!

July 12, 2002 06:39 pm ET (#25)
MysticSassie
Loyal Fan

32 posts
03-15-02

thats a Belt of Soul +25 hp +25 mp

July 12, 2002 06:43 pm ET (#26)
Spyder
Loyal Fan

148 posts
12-04-01

yes, belt of soul, but im wonderin about the sp...i think my elf has 5 sp at lvl 47 O.o

July 12, 2002 06:54 pm ET (#27)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

Punisher: "I have a lvl 36 STR knight on Test server that has an ER of 11. Explain that Amer."

You have 9 ER from being level 36 and you started with 2 ER because your DEX is 12/13.

Next. ^^

July 12, 2002 07:05 pm ET (#28)
ZPsyMageZ
Loyal Fan

110 posts
12-01-01

nice, but, what about lvl 50 elf rotc?
is it works? o.o

July 12, 2002 07:07 pm ET (#29)
WaterElf
LC Reporter

145 posts
11-16-01

moo!

July 12, 2002 07:17 pm ET (#30)
Yeildarb
Loyal Fan

179 posts
01-19-02

Re; [Gerneral]

Bah, I could do that if I wanted. I only choose to die from lag, and choose to get bad drops, and choose to waste too much time doing useless crap.

July 12, 2002 07:21 pm ET (#31)
Lineagewars
Loyal Fan

14 posts
02-03-02

meow! so does anyone know any elfs on us servers hitting 50 soon? at least the ones that r gonna be reported...

July 12, 2002 07:25 pm ET (#32)
Lineagewars
Loyal Fan

14 posts
02-03-02

he starts the duel with cancel.^^
LMAO~ i like this guys style =)

July 12, 2002 07:30 pm ET (#33)
K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan

925 posts
05-04-02

I'm sure once ppl found out what elves summon in their elemental spell....which is still a mystery......and it is really good....

will make more elves wanna reach lvl 50+....

July 12, 2002 07:39 pm ET (#34)
Rincewind
Loyal Fan

279 posts
02-12-02

o.O

July 12, 2002 07:50 pm ET (#35)
brandon
Loyal Fan

86 posts
03-31-02

i luv it how amer clears everything up for me, im so dumb 8 )

July 12, 2002 07:52 pm ET (#36)
Lostheaven
Loyal Fan

185 posts
10-06-01

Amer is the man! Ok riddle me this Batman, I have more Mp than he does without a belt of soul or mind. I have the same MR as him too but I am lvl 42. I am Elf. How is that possible?

July 12, 2002 07:54 pm ET (#37)
brandon
Loyal Fan

86 posts
03-31-02

your wisdom is more than his?

July 12, 2002 08:30 pm ET (#39)
Neo
Loyal Fan

219 posts
12-05-01

he got 13 dex from BOE guys :)

July 12, 2002 08:36 pm ET (#41)
UltimaDragon
Loyal Fan

85 posts
06-24-02

omg my messages got deleted T.T THANK U AMER/BIGPOPE!!!! IM FEELING SUICIDAL! SEE YOU IN HELL!! --;;

July 12, 2002 08:38 pm ET (#42)
elvinkind
Loyal Fan

236 posts
03-02-02

lol ultima happens to the best of us

July 12, 2002 08:41 pm ET (#44)
UltimaDragon
Loyal Fan

85 posts
06-24-02

1. NCsupport blacklisted me
2. Amer wont let me post here
3. LIFE SUX
4. No other MMORPGs out there that r good

July 12, 2002 08:46 pm ET (#45)
UltimaDragon
Loyal Fan

85 posts
06-24-02

Why does life suck so badly? why do koreans hate us so much? why is NC infested with dumbshits that havent been to college? why wont amer let me flame NC here? why does NC make it so hard for the customers?

July 12, 2002 09:04 pm ET (#46)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

Goddamit UltimaDragon. I'm tired of telling you. STAY ON TOPIC.

July 12, 2002 09:08 pm ET (#47)
Ramza
Loyal Fan

722 posts
01-11-02

o.0 he dosent have much hp my butt! ima 19 dex elf that is lvl 47 wiuth only 386hp and thats with a orc ammy! and my mp is crapper then his to T.T i feel sad T.T im a crapy elf with rappy stats maybe i make a new dex elf o.o

July 12, 2002 09:08 pm ET (#48)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

well if ur so stupid as to know know ill tell u why amer wont -_- cause if u flame NC here amers ssite will be knocked off the official fansite list lol

July 12, 2002 09:09 pm ET (#49)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

and i dont want this site to be knocked off then ill have too lookat warcry or archives of aden which both suck compared to compendium

July 12, 2002 09:15 pm ET (#50)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

No, the reason I won't is because it's annoying. This is not the "UltimaDragon got banned" website. We discuss Lineage here.

July 12, 2002 09:21 pm ET (#51)
Doomscythe
Loyal Fan

1155 posts
03-21-02

Compendium is the best!~ ^.^

July 12, 2002 09:31 pm ET (#53)
duncan3
Loyal Fan

56 posts
01-09-02

How come all the super players even mages and elves are STR chars? Is that all that matters?

July 12, 2002 09:33 pm ET (#54)
Tweak
Loyal Fan

456 posts
10-21-01

... Str elf..... Dex elf better o.o and i tried hunting here wit reds its hard i tokk my brother and we bought 100 orange each =) good place for lvl up... but cost lots monney for WAFER and oranges pots... but in total we gain money.... 2hours we gain 1000k o.o we found mass tele and green scale (we went see antharus lol)^^

July 12, 2002 09:40 pm ET (#55)
PeNTeL
Loyal Fan

299 posts
12-11-01

str vs con/dex against a dv skel will be about 1-2 hit difference with same sword....way faster level

July 12, 2002 09:41 pm ET (#56)
XCollicoX
Loyal Fan

131 posts
04-20-02

GO ELVES! Good job lvl52 Elfy...you give a good name for elves...
PS:UltimaDragon is a wierdo...GO AMER!

July 12, 2002 09:59 pm ET (#58)
Arkaine
Loyal Fan

153 posts
04-23-02

ultima we all hate nc's stupid policies on banning and nerfing but amers tha man. LINEAGE COMPENDIUM ROCKS!!...i guess(sarcasm)

July 12, 2002 11:03 pm ET (#59)
Kuroko
Loyal Fan

109 posts
03-31-02

my friend is a str elf.. rare breed there..

-_- ouch do they hurt.

I am a wis elf.. WIS elfs are hard to level up, even with good ac and weaps, but get to level 32 / 40 and your laughing with a good heal and dex spell you'll be hunting for a while.

^_^

July 12, 2002 11:38 pm ET (#60)
lol123
Loyal Fan

90 posts
03-12-02

Why does everyone always criticize a character for what ever stats they chose? If you like a certain stat pick it and then get 52 and do what you want. :) once again Str makes it to 52...

July 12, 2002 11:59 pm ET (#61)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

lol123 =PR0FESSI0NAL right?.... whyd u have to get banned? or quit? T.T sniffle i miss ye >,<.... tweak = elementz or ekz on dep o.o how do i know???? he told me he foudn those things =P

July 13, 2002 12:23 am ET (#62)
Lostheaven
Loyal Fan

185 posts
10-06-01

Wis Elves are super easy to lvl , I could greater heal myself so much. But I don't use Magic to enchant myself (I use Earth magic) I use it to slow , blind, and wb.

July 13, 2002 03:07 am ET (#63)
Doomscythe
Loyal Fan

1155 posts
03-21-02

Yeah what happened to Pr0fessi0nal????? And I am still searching for whoever hacked me... I think it was GreenEye/Kaje/Lindvior on Dep or Cyrano/Diane/Lindvior on Ken because that was my friends account that got hacked >.< and now he is selling really expensive items that my friend never had! That little bum!
Ahh Str Elves... Powerful O.o

July 13, 2002 03:34 am ET (#64)
h2ombre
Loyal Fan

333 posts
02-28-02

Anyone know if two rings of the same element give 60% element resistance?

July 13, 2002 03:44 am ET (#65)
BigPope
LC Admin

622 posts
01-18-02

They did. but they changed it so you cant wear 2 of the same rings

July 13, 2002 04:02 am ET (#66)
PikaPoo
Loyal Fan

59 posts
01-24-02

YAY!! FINALLY A 52 Elf.. COngrats dude!!
Btw.. im kinda lost.. if any1 could help me..
I use a elf.. and i killed curse ettin.. and it gimme red key..
Tio/Ruba the Hidden Valley and Singing Island guy who is supposedly to give u
a ammy for the Key.. isnt giving me 1... any clue on dat ppl?

July 13, 2002 03:39 pm ET (#67)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

i know why pr0 got banned but i dont think im allowed to say.... if i am can one of the moderators or admin of site tell me? then u guys will stop asking -_-

July 13, 2002 04:25 pm ET (#68)
aupairKing
Loyal Fan

320 posts
03-11-02

it figures that they would change it so you cannot wear two rings of the same element, I hate the Nerf Monkeys at NC!

July 13, 2002 05:16 pm ET (#69)
Tweak
Loyal Fan

456 posts
10-21-01

in real life... i can wear 2 same ring... why we cant in lineage o.o

July 13, 2002 05:31 pm ET (#70)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

cause tweak o.O they are babo and noobs at NC soft (kNowledge to Creativity software inc.,) -_- they are evil out to get us soon they will raise the price for 30$ american and we wont leave cause they would have got us drugged with there addiction MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA... o.O soon we will need a patch to get over lineage like people do to quit smoking (like say friends might be the path in rl or fresh air -_- o.o) i hope lineage 2 comes out soon T.T it has good grafics o.o.... urm and does anyone know if we can sign up now for beta??? or is it till later??? or have they started beta already??? =P ok i stop asking now =/ i want a ring T.T

July 13, 2002 05:56 pm ET (#71)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

Korean gets to beta first.. and no open beta hasn't started yet.

July 13, 2002 06:08 pm ET (#72)
DemonGeist
Loyal Fan

69 posts
03-22-02

he only has -69ac, he says -70 if he only uses shield spell, take away wat he would get from dex/ac and you have his true ac from just armor

July 13, 2002 06:40 pm ET (#73)
Kuroko
Loyal Fan

109 posts
03-31-02

That is my point Lostheaven... I am level 38 currently and I can't wait for greater heal.. 18 wis chars ARE hard to level because all the mana is being wasted on using little crappy heals.

when I get greater THEN it's all fun and games, until two more levels I stick to my beliefe that wis 18 elfs are hard to level till 40, harder then my mage atleast.. crappy s.p and no mana spell means I have to conserve.. I only use blue pots when I get back to pledge house to get me hunting again.


But, wis elfs are so much fun ^_^ mages and thier eruptions barely even scratch.

July 13, 2002 07:02 pm ET (#74)
Tweak
Loyal Fan

456 posts
10-21-01

MARAK2001 LVL 51 ON Ken he is a prince huh

July 13, 2002 07:22 pm ET (#75)
L
Loyal Fan

481 posts
01-16-02

with that kinda hp and ac .... i still prefer dex elf ^_^;

July 13, 2002 07:46 pm ET (#76)
BlueMasK
Loyal Fan

110 posts
11-07-01

I know i'm off the topic, but i want to know why i can;t join into the Lineage IRC chat..

July 13, 2002 08:36 pm ET (#77)
nitemare25
Loyal Fan

21 posts
04-18-02

I would just to say 2 things. 1: Congrats ChungSooAkma. 2: It's about time there was a lvl 5x elf. I wasn't sure if it could be done but now I have something to motivate me.

July 13, 2002 08:43 pm ET (#78)
Scaleb
Loyal Fan

224 posts
10-24-01

Lostheaven you use wb, blind etc in hunting??

Oh, water (unless you're lvl50) seems to suck, unless your a wis elf ;) - Surely earth would be better for 'support' elves...

July 13, 2002 09:05 pm ET (#79)
GovernMent
Loyal Fan

137 posts
04-30-02

I still say its best to start a con knight and when ya lvl up put points in dex and choose wind :) im getting there with my elf but it'll take another 2 months or so since i have no time to play this game anymore

July 13, 2002 10:42 pm ET (#80)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

KNIGHT? o.o..

July 13, 2002 10:55 pm ET (#81)
XCollicoX
Loyal Fan

131 posts
04-20-02

Post #54 your just mad cause you got banned :P I could go on and play LINEAGE right now...mmmmmmmmm...

July 13, 2002 11:15 pm ET (#82)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

o.o marak2001 has over a hundred billion % it says on my comp T.T bug?? lol

July 14, 2002 01:07 am ET (#83)
Orion
Loyal Fan

23 posts
05-09-02

Dathknight. Do u think ur funny or something?Also. Wouldn't con base elf better to get lvl 52 with. That way u can + the dex. And if ur really crazy get 18 dex.

July 14, 2002 01:13 am ET (#84)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

no i dont it does say that when i go on linweb -_- >,<

July 14, 2002 01:29 am ET (#85)
Lostheaven
Loyal Fan

185 posts
10-06-01

Yeah Darkness works so often with me, I blind everything Basks, Yetis , fire mops , people , and all kinds of stuff. Slow works very often to , its a ton of fun.
Water at lvl 40 , has a heal all , unlike the Wizards who does a water down Greater Heal, an elf does a water down Full heal which is often times 150+ Hp. I was taking to 15 15 (Int, Wis) who uses Ess of Mp who gets 200+ hp on the heal all. You can group up and have fun.

Earth is my all time favorite though , -4 ac for 1 hour is nice.

July 14, 2002 02:11 am ET (#86)
Ramza
Loyal Fan

722 posts
01-11-02

hm i want to try out these new spells T.T

July 14, 2002 05:57 am ET (#87)
UltraCoolElf
Loyal Fan

105 posts
02-19-02

o.O man i wanna duel that guy >.< only -60 ac base w/o shield, +8 yumi and 4xx hp i think i can take him... ill cancel him first then he'll cancel me then ill cancel him then well both die of canceling! o.O and wafers arent expensive its just the 'economically challenged' ppl that sell them....
foe (fruit of ent for those newbie ppl) are exactly like clears and therfore should go for ~500a, + the fairy dust which you can pick of the ground, wafers should go for bout 500-550a.
and ultimadragon ^ urs i would end you faster than donathon baley can run 10 meters \./~!!

July 14, 2002 06:00 am ET (#88)
UltraCoolElf
Loyal Fan

105 posts
02-19-02

o.O when lineage 2 comes out us US players are gonna be what koreans are now.... when some1 hits 50 itsa common happening.... a high lvl character wouldnt be lvl 50... ut yet... rather lvl 60... and we would have like ~-50 ac... wed have friggin -75 ac.... o.O and elves would be able to summon ettins..... ooooooooooo o.O and there will be many pks hahahaha and newbies would be like.... low lvl mops.... o.o

July 14, 2002 01:19 pm ET (#89)
Dathknight
Loyal Fan

97 posts
05-28-02

ultracoolelf -_- elves cant get summon and they never will be able to..... you mean mages right???

July 14, 2002 08:18 pm ET (#90)
chadron
Loyal Fan

1 posts
07-16-02

I just recently made an elf for the new up and coming update!!!! u guys know that elves will rule al after update. They keep makin it better and better for the good ol elves. and its about time we get a good update to bring us back in the game!!! just wait us elves will own u :).......muuuwahahahahaha!!! OchadO-dep server..... "dep.....or nothing"....also why is us dep players have plenty of 50+ and ken has only a few..... us dep players have to deal with pkers>.<
gl to all

July 14, 2002 11:24 pm ET (#91)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

actually...
the reason more dep players go 50+ is that they want the lv 52 dk morph to hunt, to pk, to siege, and to war
it hit HELLA fast for a knight that u cant even pump oranges to keep ur hp up!
and with the pot delay thing...u better ven if u get hit by a dk knight!

i think u can siege/war in ken, but...ppl CANCEL u there o.o..so not that motivating as in pk-ing ur target not usually a mage that can cancel ^^

July 16, 2002 01:37 pm ET (#92)
Murond
Loyal Fan

78 posts
02-06-02

apparently you can change elements without penalty...all you need is the new crystals for the spells. you also lose all the spells (elven ones) that you had before. So you can just change elements if you don't like the one you were on before.

personally, i like con elf the best. at 50+ they can just add on to str or dex, while a dex or str elf cant increase their hp (well, you can, i guess if you equip hp belt and orc ammy, but so can a con elf and have even more hp). i had both con and dex elf, both of which were at a decent level, and my dex elf SUCKED compared to my con elf, so i deleted him. Most people think that con elf completely sucks with a bow, and at very low lvls (like under 10), they do. but very quickly, they start to improve. especially at lvl 32+, when they get the dex spell. my 18 con elf when on dex spell and with a boe has 19 dex. she isn't too bad with a bow at all. I use a bow to hunt fv, and do VERY well. also, she has enough hp to melee. dex elf can melee, but not nearly as well as a con elf. i use melee to hunt in caves. i just think that con elf is MUCH more versitile, and alot easier to level, since i can carry ALOT more then dex elf (i usually go out on hunts with 110+ oranges), and they have the best regen rate in the game (with e-c and con ammy, but i don't have a con ammy).

since i deleted my dex elf, i decided to start a mage. i haven't had a mage in a long time, and i just want to get a few different ppls opinions on what stats i should choose. I was thinking about making an 18str 18con mage, since they seem to do really well, but then i would have HORRIBLE magic, and that kinda defeats the purpose of even having a mage. what do you guys think i should make? sorry to go a little off topic.

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