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June 19, 2002 02:12 am ET - research by Qwazin, amer

Effect of INT on MP reduction.

We're trying to get the exact affect of INT on MP reduction in spells. Qwazin and I compared notes, so here's what we found.

Elf - INT 12 - no change. We're not sure if this applies to INT 12 mages too.
Mage - INT 18/19 - the MP discount is equal to the level of the spell, minus 1. So, for example, Eruption is a level 6 spell, 6-1 = 5, so there is a 5 MP discount on casting it. Eruption on my INT 18 mage only costs 15 MP. Hijiko verified the same effect on Dep with an INT ammy.

update: Okay, we have a theory, and here it is.

The MP discount is always ( spell level of the spell being cast - 1 ). So, a level 8 spell would have a MP discount of 7. It doesn't matter what class you are.

HOWEVER, your INT can limit this. Here's our theory:

INT <13 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

MAX Discount 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7

Example: an INT 17 mage is casting Mass Teleport. Mass Teleport is a level 9 spell, so the spell discount is -8 MP, however, since INT 17 is limited to -5 MP max, the discount is -5 MP.

We invite you to prove or disprove this theory in the comments. ^^

June 19, 2002 02:16 am ET (#1)

BigPope
LC Admin
622 posts
01-18-02

on 16 int i got 4 off on greater heal

June 19, 2002 02:17 am ET (#2)

guttermouth
Loyal Fan
68 posts
06-15-02

this is ok not as good as i hoped but ok first post YAY

June 19, 2002 02:27 am ET (#3)

BigPope
LC Admin
622 posts
01-18-02

Hmmm 16 int 16 mp to cast eruption

June 19, 2002 02:33 am ET (#4)

irrationalfish
Loyal Fan
6 posts
06-03-02

on 18 int, 15 to cast errupt
on 19 int, 15 to cast errupt.

June 19, 2002 02:39 am ET (#5)

guttermouth
Loyal Fan
68 posts
06-15-02

on 15 int 17 mp eruption

June 19, 2002 02:46 am ET (#6)

Forge
LC Reporter
150 posts
12-12-01

no difference, even on 13 int elf..........

June 19, 2002 03:12 am ET (#7)

BavmordaX
Loyal Fan
72 posts
02-15-02

15int
ebolt = 3mp (-0mp)
enchant weapon = 14mp (-1mp)
enchant armor = 18mp (-2mp)
dex = 20mp (-3mp)
gheal = 17mp (-3mp)
erupt = 17mp (-3mp)
tornado = 37mp (-3mp)
blizzard = 57mp (-3mp)
mass teleport = 97mp (-3mp)

hope this helps... one from every lvl of spells i've got

June 19, 2002 03:12 am ET (#8)

GUY
Loyal Fan
43 posts
04-14-02

it sucks

June 19, 2002 03:18 am ET (#9)

Hazaanko
Loyal Fan
13 posts
06-19-02

Good thinking BavmordaX . . . . . .
16 Int mage -
ebolt-3mp (-0mp)
erupt- 17 mp (-3mp)
freeze- 32 mp (-3mp)

It's not great, but it helps a bit. That's all for now i'll try to post more later.
And YES I did screw up my mages stats.

June 19, 2002 03:29 am ET (#10)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

i'll gladly do those tests on my int/wis mage if anyone can give me the following spellbooks for free:
tornado, heal all, blizzard, mass teleport, resurrection
hehehe

June 19, 2002 04:09 am ET (#11)

dshank
Loyal Fan
34 posts
04-01-02

hmm, for some reason when i mouse over the spells in the list the mana/hp amounts are all goofed up...

erupt states it uses 23/9

wierd.

oops, no, now it's back normal again. they mustve fixed it in that little mini update.

nm

June 19, 2002 04:09 am ET (#12)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Hazaanko: Are you sure Erupt 17 MP? Bigpope says 16MP..

June 19, 2002 04:09 am ET (#13)

PeNTeL
Loyal Fan
299 posts
12-11-01

lol -.- nice update....3 mp discount average for each spell...1 hit on som will easily retrieve like 10 -.-

June 19, 2002 04:13 am ET (#14)

dshank
Loyal Fan
34 posts
04-01-02

hmm, for some reason when i mouse over the spells in the list the mana/hp amounts are all goofed up...

erupt states it uses 23/9

wierd.

oops, no, now it's back normal again. they mustve fixed it in that little mini update.

nm

June 19, 2002 04:52 am ET (#17)

QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan
173 posts
02-05-02

It helps, but I was expecting more of a bonus for an 18 int mage. How much difference do it makes? I think it compensates with SOM crippled for me, and it is more or less the same....

As the AC change, they had to offset it (save for knights...)

June 19, 2002 05:31 am ET (#18)

2x2
Loyal Fan
104 posts
04-19-02

lol QuickShadow i am a 18 int mage.......i get to cast g-heal for 16mp....great eh?? olmost same as a 15int mage!!!! iwasted 3 stat points on that for 1mp? BAH gimme those..i'll put them on cha

June 19, 2002 05:34 am ET (#19)

2x2
Loyal Fan
104 posts
04-19-02

full heal is 34mp for me...... -6mp

June 19, 2002 05:47 am ET (#20)

QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan
173 posts
02-05-02

I can confirm the theory on my lvl 45, int 17 mage.

BTW, I am trading any of my +5 AC for a charisma ammy on Ken. Any one interested?

June 19, 2002 06:08 am ET (#21)

Scaleb
Loyal Fan
224 posts
10-24-01

ok did some testing:
15int mage (darn it, shoulda gone 18)

lvl 1 spells 0mp
lvl 2 spells -1mp
lvl 3 spells -2mp
lvl 4+ spells -3mp

June 19, 2002 06:53 am ET (#22)

ruben
Loyal Fan
355 posts
10-07-01

lvl 48 12 int mage... no bonus T_T well at least i get 3 king bugbears :P

June 19, 2002 06:58 am ET (#23)

benchMarc
Loyal Fan
23 posts
03-14-02

Sorry but i think this update is useless. Who is lvl 40+ doesn't care about 10mp more for one spell. They have a som and can get that 7mp back in no time. Another useless update :/

June 19, 2002 09:03 am ET (#24)

QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan
173 posts
02-05-02

Nice having charisma 12... I need a cha ammy for charisma 12.

Also KBB must be NICE!

I thought this update was going to save MP based on int AND level! But guess not...

June 19, 2002 11:00 am ET (#26)

lechtung
Loyal Fan
19 posts
01-11-02

Venga Espa�a, vamos a por el mundial!

Lets go for the world cup Spain! :-P

June 19, 2002 11:35 am ET (#27)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

computerguy, thats wut i was just thinking. Stalag and fire arrow are lvl 2 spells, and both normally cost 3 mp. That seems like more powerful versions of e-bolt, and with the new update theyll only cost 2 mp

June 19, 2002 12:58 pm ET (#28)

aupairKing
Loyal Fan
320 posts
03-11-02

I got SB:'Wet your pants', and it did not cost me a single Mana point to enact the spell on myself.

June 19, 2002 01:05 pm ET (#29)

Myshella
Loyal Fan
77 posts
03-04-02

that sux... it should be 1/2 mp

June 19, 2002 01:43 pm ET (#30)

SpysLikeUs
Loyal Fan
89 posts
03-04-02

Who cares what the MP discount is,
It's so low, it won't change anything.
I tried my int/wis mage last night,
and her -AC is so ineffective now
that all this MP nonsense is stupid.

Yet another sucky update from NCSoft

First they build up our -AC with the ac/dex
update, then they take it away by making -AC
less effective on Mages.

Are these people on drugs or what?

June 19, 2002 01:53 pm ET (#31)

Schwartz
Loyal Fan
134 posts
02-08-02

I have Stopped Recurring billing. I feel that NC is destroying the game that we all used to truly enjoy enough to play 10+hrs/day. I recommend that anyone else who is feeling the same way do the same.

1) Go to lineage main website
2) Click on Account Management --> Manage Account
3) log in with your game l/p
4) Next to "Billing Information" click on "Update Payment Information"
5) Click on "Cancel"

As long as you're not using the Mac client (or did they fix that bug) you will still be able to play until the time for which you have already paid runs out. This is the ONLY way to send NC a message. Obviously, writing emails and posting on boards does nothing.

YOU DO NOT LOSE ITEMS OR CHARACTERS IF YOU STOP PAYING!! All accounts can be re-activated once they get their act together, assuming we all havent moved on to something more stable/fun.

June 19, 2002 02:28 pm ET (#32)

Warizon
Loyal Fan
22 posts
05-09-02

My analysis of the MP situation is this:

"MP change" divided by "all other BS changes" = $15 too much per month.

June 19, 2002 04:26 pm ET (#33)

Iphegenie
Loyal Fan
58 posts
05-02-02

dunno.... Int 18 mage here, and I get to caste TONS more erupts in combat against larger mops.... or course, I have to be careful, as its not so easy to pump pots anymore.... BUT it does make a huge difference..

Here's a suggestion for those of you without imagination... LOL, have VT quickkeyed.... erupt erupt erupt.... let it get close and VT your' align away!!!

June 19, 2002 04:27 pm ET (#34)

Iphegenie
Loyal Fan
58 posts
05-02-02

It really works !!!!!!! *giggle*

THANKS NC!!!!! OMG *^v^* (*blush*)

@>-,----

June 19, 2002 04:28 pm ET (#35)

Raistlin
Loyal Fan
1 posts
06-19-02

Guess that means most elves will be completly un-effected by that then eh?

June 19, 2002 04:32 pm ET (#36)

Iphegenie
Loyal Fan
58 posts
05-02-02

....and remember ppl, INT also effects that all too forgotten SPELL POWER.... hello.... whine all you like about having wasted your stats on INT,..... I'd take the SP over an extra weak @55 summon ANYDAY.

You wanna try taking a hit from me with SoS in hand and a WIS pot? ^^

June 19, 2002 04:58 pm ET (#37)

BlueSkye
Loyal Fan
9 posts
06-19-02

18 con 18 int 12 cha BEST mage hehe , it is cause you get like 7-8mp a lv up but have good SUMMON good HP good SP and with Mage Set and MP Belt(i know expencieve) who need 2-3 extra mp a lv. Anyways Amer about MP reduction my mage 15 int gets good reductions on spells expect HEALING spells , HEALING spells no MP or HP reduction but my other spells have MP AND HP reduction , anyone knows why I don't get bonus on HEALING spells ?

June 19, 2002 06:17 pm ET (#38)

Lostheaven
Loyal Fan
185 posts
10-06-01

Amer any reports from 8 Int bug mages? Or 10 Int Princess/Princes? If there is a penalty to magic use for these. You do math right? I made a Wis elf , when i get to 20 (I am on the test) I will send it to you for your site.

June 19, 2002 06:29 pm ET (#39)

Gunther
Loyal Fan
46 posts
06-07-02

So, the basic idea is cast spell for 5 less mp and use mana staf that sucks a little less mp. Um, I'm not the brightest buld on the tree but isnt that kinda like taking it from one place and putiing it in another?

Its kinda like having no change at all, just window dressing. My head hurts, I think I will just quit this game and find the ones they are trying to become. That way at least I'll get decent graphics as a bonus. This update sucks the llama's ass.

June 19, 2002 08:56 pm ET (#40)

ruben
Loyal Fan
355 posts
10-07-01

Elf - INT 12 - no change. We're not sure if this applies to INT 12 mages too.

i am sure that my 12 int amge does not have any bonus :P spells cost 100%

June 20, 2002 10:26 pm ET (#42)

sam12345
Loyal Fan
27 posts
07-01-02

Hey amer how much was SOM reduced with update I wanna know cause i stuck at school and cant access account

June 23, 2002 02:45 pm ET (#43)

miseria
Loyal Fan
1 posts
06-23-02

I should get 1 discount on lev. 2 spells and 2 on lev. 3 (lev. 31 currently) since I'm a int 15 elf, but I have absolutely no changes to any spells.

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