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April 27, 2002 01:46 am ET - research by Bubbasback, Postman, Forged, WARRIORz

some changes on US Test server

Well, looks like some big changes went into US test. The F1 help for Magic has listed all the new spells, in English, with descriptions and data. You can now find this information in the magic guide, but I think there are some errors - the higher level spells (from what I have heard) should be area damage, not single target damage.

Also, Tsurugi is now 1-handed and Baphomet/Beleth are dropping amulets and belts, as we reported about Korea earlier. In addition, they are much stronger. So far, Amulet of Strength (+1 STR), Amulet of Charisma (+1 CHA), Lesser Amulet of Charisma (+1 CHA, -2 INT) and Lesser Belt of Mind (+30 HP -- shouldn't it be +30 MP?).

before after

update: Also, elven wafers now do not require magic gems and Buakheu (the NPC in Heine 4f) sells Bless of Eva, so you don't have to go back to the temple to get more.


TITANIUM's belt increases wearer's MP by 15 and HP by 15.	GForce's belt increases wearer's HP by 50.

April 27, 2002 01:51 am ET (#1)

vinsanity
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-20-02

OMG Making tsurugi 1 handed in US server will be the worst thing ever!!!
First Post yay

April 27, 2002 01:54 am ET (#2)

BeefAssassin
Loyal Fan
29 posts
12-29-01

thank god tsur is 1 handed like it should be

April 27, 2002 01:58 am ET (#3)

brahm
Loyal Fan
3 posts
02-15-02

There goes the neighbourhood, if this comes to live servers and it probably will the lineage world is going straight to h*ll(or at least the pk'ers using tsu should be... those are gonna hurt my poor elf so bad). I think they probably mean to put in the dex ac bonus with this to balance out the increase but i can see it haveing a rather startling effect during sieges... Oh well time to make a new knight and to buy a +9 rap for 5 mil for my elf ^^

April 27, 2002 01:59 am ET (#4)

HamaSaki
Loyal Fan
9 posts
04-14-02

Too many people hunting Baphomet man~~ is good idea to make other strong monsters drop amulets and belts..........

April 27, 2002 01:59 am ET (#5)

Dust
Loyal Fan
150 posts
01-29-02

Let's start killing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 27, 2002 02:00 am ET (#6)

Dust
Loyal Fan
150 posts
01-29-02

i think they should make pheonix or drakes drop emulet
=/

April 27, 2002 02:09 am ET (#8)

Xenite
Loyal Fan
4 posts
04-26-02

I dont mind TSU being one handed, As that was the way it was intended to be. I think in the long run, things that the korean team add will eventually balance out. Either then or in future updates.

April 27, 2002 02:10 am ET (#9)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

weee more spell descriptions of spells we dont have o_o

April 27, 2002 02:11 am ET (#10)

Frozendevil
Loyal Fan
24 posts
03-01-02

thats seriously kick ass.

April 27, 2002 02:14 am ET (#11)

EdgyAsHell
Loyal Fan
128 posts
10-11-01

Only Baphomet and Beleth have been beefed up, not "the bosses"

April 27, 2002 02:14 am ET (#12)

DyNaSTy
Loyal Fan
13 posts
03-20-02

once agian LINEAGE IS SCREWING HEKKA ppl over....
first ncsoft says live US Servers will not be making TSU one handed... so that things would be all balenaced out...
next thing u know ncsoft dicied to make it freaking one handed...
ALL PRICES WILL START GOING UP LIKE CRAZY...
making TSU one handed is not a good idea and if it does some how come into live us servers make it at least make the mop drops those items like tsu more often...
SO MANY PPL gonna screwed over...

April 27, 2002 02:14 am ET (#13)

Smokie
Loyal Fan
139 posts
02-26-02

Trusugi one handed means pking rage rising...

Also bosses dropping amulets like str amulets is a very bad news for the character that killed antharas, to be more specific dreamworks and some other people lost ALOT of money. Because i am sure the price of amulet is not 4 mil for sure anymore.. and its gone way down....

Its great to see how US server is making great progress as well as korean server.

April 27, 2002 02:25 am ET (#14)

FistofRage
Loyal Fan
33 posts
11-08-01

Hahahahaha... suckerz is gonna kiss some ass now that i can wear my shield lolololol.

April 27, 2002 02:32 am ET (#15)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

BELT!~

April 27, 2002 02:36 am ET (#16)

ZPsyMageZ
Loyal Fan
110 posts
12-01-01

LOL DK IS LIKE A DRAKE NOW 0_o

April 27, 2002 02:36 am ET (#17)

Pooch
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-10-01

Very sweet...;)

April 27, 2002 02:41 am ET (#18)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

huh? i dont see any new spells in spell help screen..

April 27, 2002 02:48 am ET (#19)

vinsanity
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-20-02

I'm gonna cry. I purchased a STR ammy for 5 mil and the next day I see many people selling the ammy for 2.5 mil. The lineage economy is being heaveily influenced by your actions NC T.T

April 27, 2002 02:56 am ET (#20)

Orcide
Loyal Fan
162 posts
10-05-01

poor ppl who made +9 rap for pvp ... so many gonna loose on tsu beeing 1 handed
but NCI didnt yet do it on live servers, so might not happend, dont get too insane and buy tsu for a wasteload of money

April 27, 2002 02:59 am ET (#21)

Isidur
Loyal Fan
11 posts
04-26-02

Is this on the test sever or on the other ones too? I want a lesser belt of mind or what ever...

April 27, 2002 03:03 am ET (#22)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Wait a second.. Belt of MIND increases HP? Shouldn't it increase MP?

April 27, 2002 03:08 am ET (#23)

Macrossf1
Loyal Fan
49 posts
04-20-02

Nice update. More spells are a great thing.
Maybe this will reduce the whining
Or increase judging from some of the posts.

April 27, 2002 03:57 am ET (#24)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

...
...I was owned by a knight with +7 tsuragi in about 10 hits...
...This is going to be crazy...

Good job balancing the game, NC! T.T
Put Dex/AC bonus in, take HOM away from knights and give them to princes/ses. <~My idea

Oh man, even with that, Knights will become even more uber..

Today I was thinking about making a knight after a year of playing an elf. I think I made up my mind O.O

April 27, 2002 04:02 am ET (#25)

Smokie
Loyal Fan
139 posts
02-26-02

+9 Trusugi .. holy ....

April 27, 2002 04:02 am ET (#27)

Arkaine
Loyal Fan
153 posts
04-23-02

1 handed tsu is great if you have one...
it costs more than it takes to make it but players fixed that by raising price of tqd to like 500k

April 27, 2002 04:18 am ET (#28)

Blahk
Loyal Fan
234 posts
02-02-02

Ummm this wont change pking that much, usually pk's strike when the others are at low hp...so the other person doesn't have much time to hit back anyways. Also are the ammy's from bapho/beleth as rare as rotc??

April 27, 2002 04:21 am ET (#29)

SELain
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-06-02

Don't blame NC, blame the community for not wanting to help their fellow players. The economy is in our hands. If you want other people to sell cheap, don't price check and laugh at people when they offer 15k for something that price checks 20-25k

April 27, 2002 04:26 am ET (#31)

PeNTeL
Loyal Fan
299 posts
12-11-01

price of +9kat/+9rap/+7tsu last night.
12mil/15mil/3mil
price of +9kat/+9rap/+7 5 min after update
10mil/12mil/6mil.................
price of swords after update on dep/ken...
5mil/5mil/10mil

.........................................nc should think about the ppl who bought +9swords for 10+mil

April 27, 2002 04:28 am ET (#32)

PROKNIGHT
Loyal Fan
40 posts
02-20-02

i thought the wieght of a one handed tsu on korean servers is 60. 120 is very heavy for it to be one handed ^^. Could NC lower the weight back down to 60

April 27, 2002 04:31 am ET (#33)

Litmus
Loyal Fan
8 posts
04-24-02

aww!!! all just HUSH!
who cares?
still u can para and be killed my mage~ :p
and if u dont like it make a knight ^^*
and........i didnt see the new magic in the list --; is it on test server only?

April 27, 2002 04:34 am ET (#34)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

k, i don't mind if TSU going to be 1 handed
but need to give the ac/dex update along with the TSU 1 handed

April 27, 2002 05:33 am ET (#35)

NeoCross
Loyal Fan
139 posts
03-20-02

Everyone screams pk will go on rampage....

well pk have to go to hell soon.... wouldnt that ballance it out a tad bit? keke

April 27, 2002 06:11 am ET (#36)

DrunkenKnight
Loyal Fan
81 posts
04-25-02

LOL hah umm... well thats pretty f***** up. I complained about TSU being 2 handed when it started being was 1 handed in all the other servers backed then. When I complained I got banned. Why in the h*** they just do what ALL the other servers do when they do it. Instead of losing customers thinking that their way of balancing the game is correct. The Koreans are always right haven't you figured it out yet? God they made the game for crying out loud.

April 27, 2002 09:49 am ET (#37)

Scaleb
Loyal Fan
224 posts
10-24-01

Isn't it pretty hard to make the Tsu? Surely not many people can do it on the live servers (where the drops are much lower) - If the add the dex/ac bonus in things should even out. And I hope these new spells acutally prove useful - All seem similar to the attack spells we have already....

April 27, 2002 10:10 am ET (#38)

TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan
145 posts
04-15-02

Yup its all evening out
Elfs - Dex AC Bonus
Mage - New Spells
Knights - 1 handed tsurugi

April 27, 2002 10:16 am ET (#39)

TheQuickWind
Loyal Fan
145 posts
04-15-02

Mage are going to get mad when they make the staffs 2 handed
And they will!

April 27, 2002 10:38 am ET (#40)

Mighty
Loyal Fan
34 posts
03-21-02

So.................Dex/AC is coming when?

April 27, 2002 11:08 am ET (#43)

Myshella
Loyal Fan
77 posts
03-04-02

they dont put the spells remaining for balance, but they put tsu 1 handed?? totally ilogic! NC dunno what r they doing!!!

April 27, 2002 11:32 am ET (#44)

ruben
Loyal Fan
355 posts
10-07-01

princes should be able to use tsurugi >_< they are the only class without a good update o.O

April 27, 2002 11:45 am ET (#45)

Pepper
Loyal Fan
135 posts
02-11-02

Sad.......See how NCI is trying to make the game balanced but it's getting worse and worse with every update. Ya...I have no comment about Tsu going 1 handed, since many ppl have knights and are prolly rejoicing right now. What NCI is doing is to tell us to make knights! As if there aren't enough knights already. 1/2 of the lineage population plays knight / mage combo..cus, after all, it's most profitable and easy and you can 'kick ass' with ur knights (Or mages, if you can afford the spells)....anyways, the prince class is always left out. Amulet of chr? LMAO wut can u do with it? Recruit 2 more knights with tsu to make u stronger? Lineage is full of wonders.

April 27, 2002 11:52 am ET (#46)

RenMaster
Loyal Fan
92 posts
05-26-02

I think theres a belt with +30 hp +25 mp too..

April 27, 2002 12:26 pm ET (#47)

Earthsiege
Loyal Fan
56 posts
10-10-01

NO, the new spells aren't in test server. ONLY their descriptions are. Yes, I did go to Gereng to go learn it and he won't teach it to you.

April 27, 2002 12:48 pm ET (#48)

DrewPIsMe
Loyal Fan
35 posts
03-21-02

What I would like to know is how every cries earlier about tsu being 2 handed when in korea it is 1, and then NCi is making tsu 1 handed now, and you all cry about that. Please figure out what you want before you start complaining.

April 27, 2002 01:29 pm ET (#49)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Amer - you can add this to your list of changes - Wafers do not require magic gems anymore.

April 27, 2002 02:55 pm ET (#50)

mp3
Loyal Fan
193 posts
02-12-02

nobody would buy tqd for 500K.. unless desperate. Tqd drops very commonly, just go make your own tsu. Hunt fire area, you get 1 Tqd per day there for sure -___-. Or even hunt basilisk ... 1 tqd a week... up to you. Only annoying part is the mithril requirements. Ash is a joke. blah~
Oh .. and one more thing... I think 1 hand tsu will disrupt the game, i wouldn't mind it going 1 handed now (i want it 1 handed hehe), BUT , adding dex/ac would soften the blow and perhaps make it nicer for other classes. So... for the sake of Balance... add Dex/Ac before anything else. jeeze. blah~

April 27, 2002 03:01 pm ET (#51)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

Knights will just keep going more and more uber since dex update would affect them also and not just elves.
New spells? Ha...... they'll be useless unless they add in the int bonus for reducing cost of casting or adding in mana recov pots (one reported earlier on here)

April 27, 2002 03:12 pm ET (#52)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

WOH! check out elf.24cc.cc!! its got animations for evry new spell! fire storm and didintegrate spear look coolest!!!!!

April 27, 2002 03:33 pm ET (#53)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

Re; DrunkenKnight [#33]

The korean server has been around longer, so they all have a higher average lvl. And they also have MANY (HEAVY emphasis on MANY) more updates than we do. They have more spells, the Dex/AC bonus, that int bonus for mages, some cha bonus I can't remember (hehe, sorry), and many more. They should add ALL of this stuff at the same time. Adding the 1h tsuragi before anything else is suicide on NC's half.

Re; DrewPIsMe [#44]

Don't tell me that you can't understand that it's not the same people -_-;; Why on earth would anyone complain about something and then complain about it the other way? Only someone with no shimmer of common sense would do that. I'm sorry, but I can't stand people who talk like you, who say all we do is whine. Yes, there are many people who whine, but so far, on this board, no one is whining. They are complaining in a semi-calm manner. Of course, because that's the only way to get things changed in the game that they love. Trying to discourage people from trying to fight for their ideas is idiotic and selfish. So untill someone whines, please do not say anything.

April 27, 2002 03:55 pm ET (#54)

killamage24
Loyal Fan
72 posts
01-05-02

OKOK......since they put the spell descriptions in, they're probly puting the spells in also and the int bonus!!!elfs are getting dex/ac bonus probly, and princes are getting the cha ammy and probly the cha bonus.......wut more?stop whining all u mages, when u get ur spells ull be killing lot more ppl also(and bb's are big mops, if u a summon mage lvl 40+,tsu wouldnt do that much more on bb's than a rap,anyway, u mages just para everyone)...AND TO CLEAR UP ANYTHING...BELETH AND BAPHO *HURT*....NEED AT LEAST 5 LVL 45+ TO KILL THEM WITHOUT ANYON TELEING, AND...THEY DROP BELTS AND AMMYS EVERY DROP INCLUDING ABOUT 100K IN MONEY

April 27, 2002 04:08 pm ET (#55)

LadyBritish
Loyal Fan
207 posts
01-28-02

RE:#28

"price of +9kat/+9rap/+7tsu last night.
12mil/15mil/3mil
price of +9kat/+9rap/+7 5 min after update
10mil/12mil/6mil.................
price of swords after update on dep/ken...
5mil/5mil/10mil"

wasn't that wat was originally intended? tsu is suppose to be a better sword. not a crappier one... NC's biggest mistake isn't making it a 2hs. their mistake is changing it back and forth. Mel once said that drop events won't be done again cos it distablizes the economy too much. look at what they just did =)

re:Onlyone#38
thats sad... she was a good friend Q.Q

April 27, 2002 04:26 pm ET (#56)

BloodLusts
Loyal Fan
313 posts
01-26-02

All I know is that Tsu is gona be used a lot for Sieges so ppl who bring reds are going to have to double pump,
i think Reds are going to be gone soon from the site of Sieges
Oranges and Clears BABY !!! =)
Oh and for the ppl Who bought +9RAP dont FREAK, cause there still the best against the UNDEAD if yah know what i mean...
Now all we need is the Crays Test and The Knights are SET la....

April 27, 2002 04:46 pm ET (#57)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

OMG ALL GO TO WWW.HKLINEAGE.COM AND LOOK AT THOSE NEW SPELLS ANIMATION
THE DISINDARATE (SPEAR?) IS COOOOOOOL~
GOGOGOGOGOGO

April 27, 2002 05:57 pm ET (#58)

Protocol
Loyal Fan
271 posts
03-26-02

is it me or has hklineage shut down? >.< i can't view it anymore

April 27, 2002 06:07 pm ET (#59)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Ok this is what I think. On test a few strong people who have +9 maybe even a +10 tsu already will own the game. The hard working people who worked hard to get a +bkat are doomed. I think its only fair to have a server whip so that everyone whould have a equil chance. What kind of test server is a test server when a few people who are (a word i sholdnt say) control everyone. They can form 1 pk pledge and ruin the game for many others. Sure this is like this on all servers but on test the drop rates are higher so people can aford more pots. Think about a guy with a +10 tsu with condanced clears camping a dragon or pking in small waste land. Its a huge difrance on test. This is why I think we need a whip. Many people want a whip becuase its just geting boring. A few people whould hate a whip. Those people are super strong becuase they started a tyrany the first day that test opeaned. US test is not good for testing becuase few people play there. Theres good drops yes. You get good ac fast, yes. But if you dont whip it for 6 months people will get too strong and noone will ever bring them down. It takes months to bring a strong pledge down. It only works when most of the pledge has quit.

Another thing is that most of the strong people on test are just bad people. Just look at their pk count. The range of the strong to avrage people on test is too great. They can aford to make +9 tsu and buy the best armors. On ken stronger people are also stong but many avrage people can take them down.

Think about this 20str knight with belt of str. 21str + str spell= 26str

now +9tsu +2 with enchant spell. +11tsu

Knight on haste and brave = 2 hits per second

Now think about a 26str ghast knight with a +11tsu and almost as much ac as normal people. Thats just crazy. Take 2 or 3 of them and put them in a corner at a siege. They will be hard to beat withour that cheap paralize spell. So do we need a HOM:Para now?

This update will make knight too strong and the strong knights godly. We need a server reset if tsu should realy be 1 handed. Tsu should be harder to make too. Maybe 300 ash. (:

April 27, 2002 06:15 pm ET (#60)

Cogency
Loyal Fan
64 posts
12-05-01

Amen...
Tsu 1 handed is insane... >< now imma need to get me one too ><

April 27, 2002 07:04 pm ET (#61)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

no Protocol, hklineage is fine o.o
go try www.lineage3d.com
should link to the same place

April 27, 2002 07:25 pm ET (#62)

DyNaSTy
Loyal Fan
13 posts
03-20-02

TheQuickWind......
YOU ARE AN IDIOT...... Dex bonus is for ALL classes...
The new spells that mages will get are not that great also
Making Tsu 1 handed does not help either when it comes to balancing out this game

thats all i have to say...

April 27, 2002 08:05 pm ET (#63)

EcKs
Loyal Fan
154 posts
04-17-02

One question, are the belts enchantable?

April 27, 2002 08:09 pm ET (#64)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

I think he knows it's for all classes. It's just that elves get the most advantage out of it. (Amer, is he considerend in violation of rule #1?)

If this comes to live servers, the knights will just become too strong. Screw Dex/AC bonus. 1handed tsuragi can kick the crap out of a measly extra -10ac. I'm pretty sure I'm going to forget my beta-old elf and start a knight now..

Goodbye, my elven brothers. I don't think our forces, even combined with the human mages, can destroy the knights after this update comes to live servers.

April 27, 2002 08:28 pm ET (#65)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

damn it, if people think this is evening out for mages too, theyre VERY wrong. The new spells arent that powerful! they dont provide different techniques, or more powers! dont u see? firestorm and earthquake are like tornado and blizzard. fire arrow, stalag, and ice dagger are like ebolt, and ice cloud (or wutever its called) is like firball, and the only new technique is sunburst!

April 27, 2002 08:29 pm ET (#66)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

knights are gonna take out evrything in sight!

April 27, 2002 08:30 pm ET (#67)

Alanc
Loyal Fan
167 posts
02-09-02

the dex/ac bonus is pretty fare... the dex elves get a substitute for a shield...

April 27, 2002 09:01 pm ET (#68)

David
Loyal Fan
25 posts
01-29-02

weird...why do i see people complaining about 1 handed Tsu? It's only on test, if it screws up the game they wont put it in, it's as simple as that...

(but then again, I may be trusting NC too much, what if they don't listen to complains from test server...)

April 27, 2002 09:08 pm ET (#69)

Scaleb
Loyal Fan
224 posts
10-24-01

I orginally thought these new spells would even out the balance when knights got their 1h tsu, and dex elves got much lower ac.
But looking at these new spells they are exactly the same as the orginal ones but with different elements. So they would not change player vs player combat at all, only make mages *slightly* more powerful in elemental area's such as fire valley, DV, and hiene.

Tho' people must remeber on the regular servers (with regular drops) the TSU is pretty hard to make and will be available to only a few rich players - It shouldn't (at least I hope ;)affect the mid-lvl masses that much....

April 27, 2002 09:12 pm ET (#70)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

If the tsu being one handed is making knights way much stronger then dont complain and make a knight. Thats why most pll in korea are knights.The new spells may look all great but they wont be that useful.Its prob just a little more dmg and better look thats all.Like fb compared to tornado, i rather use fb then tornado.And bliz same way to.Just make a knight get a tsu and play da game.

Amer why did my earlier post get deleted i didnt violate any rules!The one about the taela.

April 27, 2002 09:18 pm ET (#71)

Dein
Loyal Fan
77 posts
02-08-02

Every class has it's purpose. Anyone remember reading the front page of the original official website?

It talked about using classes in a managed way. Not elves out front! Elves in the rear firing arrows! It also did'nt say mages in the front and knights in the rear! It said the reverse!.

Lineage combat requires tactics, not just everyone mindlessly running out in front bashing! Doh!

April 27, 2002 09:46 pm ET (#73)

Isidur
Loyal Fan
11 posts
04-26-02

Carrington-ur poster number69 oddy...

April 27, 2002 09:51 pm ET (#74)

vinsanity
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-20-02

One more thing i have to say.
In test,i just got scammedof all my money and ac so i will
never beable to buy the belts ever again T.T

April 27, 2002 10:07 pm ET (#75)

Ramza
Loyal Fan
722 posts
01-11-02

sigh here i am reading all of this. Who gives a crap about tsu going 1hd on test server.I like the idea of it, it willl bring much more of a challenge into this game and who knows maybe for once in when im in a seige i will see tactics not everyone bum rushing eachotehr(other then the seige when DarkCross was seiging ww from dirtyplayers both pledges used tacticks)This will defintaly be a great thing if it comes to live servers. just incase if all of you are wodering no im not a knight dont even have a knight anymore. Great job Nc keep up the good work. Now how about putting bow base damage so its on with everything u attack ^^.

April 27, 2002 10:21 pm ET (#76)

BloodLusts
Loyal Fan
313 posts
01-26-02

I aggree with Ottoman for the complaining part
but the stuff about the mages ~~
Camon man, dont forget about W-b PARA CANCEL =)
And a Mage witha SOF Hurts la...(im serious wit str/dex/ghast/(and the mage using the spells like w-b, para,cancel and freeze can own a knight)
.
.
And when Fire wall comes out Boy is it gona be hot at sieges lol
a wall of fire on all the knights by the gates...who just stand there cause if they leave then its open house ^_^ ouch !!

April 27, 2002 10:24 pm ET (#77)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

Yes tsu one hand is good idea new spell comin dex/ac comin..... so stop complain plz ? NC only follow korean so we gonna have thge tsu 1hand! if korean can have tsu one hand so we can here

April 27, 2002 10:29 pm ET (#78)

KnightSpirits
Loyal Fan
88 posts
10-02-01

how is tsu good idea?
THINK
!!!!
geeze!
this will totally F**K up game ballance

April 27, 2002 10:42 pm ET (#79)

Carrington
Loyal Fan
133 posts
10-08-01

*Orgasm*

Ok, after my 12th orgasm I've decided to actually post something along the topics of these updates. I have a knight, mage and elf. I could see how some people might think that making the Tsurugi 1-Handed might be a mistake. But if you think about it, big deal. There is always going to be one class that has an advantage. Its how it was been and how it always will be so log off lineage, go eat a popcycle, play some Grand Theft Auto 3, and smoke a cigarette. After you've relaxed a little then come back and play some more lineage and wait for the day they put the new spells in the game. I love spells. And being on the test server you can use hella lots of m-gems so its even more fun :)

Oh, and elf.24cc.cc is a very awesome site. Although its in Korean i believe. I still am drooling over the animations of the spells =)

Carrington

April 27, 2002 10:53 pm ET (#80)

L
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481 posts
01-16-02

elf.24cc.cc is in chinese~

April 27, 2002 10:58 pm ET (#81)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Even if everyone makes a knight. (Haha NC might as well dumb elven forest and singing island less lag.) Some people will already have a tsu and some wont. It will take too much work to catch up. 1 handed tsu will make the strong people even stronger and they will pick on the weak people even more. This come in hand on test server more than any other server because people can aford more pots, so ac and wep plays a much bigger difreance. I say it again. Take out 1 haned tsu. No wait. Server back jump or what ever its called. Or a whip. Id recomand a whip.

All who want a Whip Say I. AMER!!!! OPEAN UP A WHIP POLL! Who wants that?!

April 27, 2002 11:08 pm ET (#82)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

Can I have some whipped cream with my server wipe and rollback plz?
Lets give Elves dual wield and base bow damage, Mages some good spells and princes..err.. Something.. and call it even shall we?

April 27, 2002 11:10 pm ET (#83)

Blahk
Loyal Fan
234 posts
02-02-02

elf.24cc.cc is it real?? I went there and saw the new spells, but when i scrolled down a bit to see what else was there, i saw a +11 2hs, +11 DRAGON SLAYER(seriously who would even try that?!) and i think +11 bardiche or something like it...cant remember the name, +7 shield of eva, and some other crazy items. I can see the +11 2hs and other things...but +11 dragonslayer?!

April 27, 2002 11:15 pm ET (#84)

acidtrance
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63 posts
02-25-02

OMG thank you so so much for the belt and TSU update

April 27, 2002 11:29 pm ET (#85)

Elbryan
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180 posts
01-21-02

Blahk - There is also a pic of +7 DSM there! o.0
And is that a +11 unicorn horn next to the +7 Shield of Eva?

April 27, 2002 11:57 pm ET (#86)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

The damage roll on a Tsurugi is not as good as the damage roll for a rapier, despite its better stats. The +2 hit bonus is the only thing that makes it better.

April 28, 2002 12:05 am ET (#87)

Ramza
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722 posts
01-11-02

yeah i cant wait to fight the new bosses with a couple of my friends ^^

April 28, 2002 12:14 am ET (#88)

EdgyAsHell
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128 posts
10-11-01

And with a couple of other people with THEIR friends.

April 28, 2002 12:57 am ET (#89)

KnightSpirit
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137 posts
04-27-02

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The damage roll on a Tsurugi is not as good as the damage roll for a rapier, despite its better stats. The +2 hit bonus is the only thing that makes it better.
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whats your prove that it is not as good as a rapier?

April 28, 2002 12:59 am ET (#90)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

those +11 2hs, +11 dragon slayer, +7 dsm, +7 eva shield, etc
ARE ALL gift from the HK TEST server
as the account is made, those items were in the storage

April 28, 2002 01:20 am ET (#91)

Li
Loyal Fan
62 posts
03-05-02

damn...hk lineage players so lucky to have those things QQ..
when r we lineage players here get those gifts??....even one of those items would be good QQ...come on....pretty plz...................
*oh forget it...nc austin aint that generous*

1-hand tsu?...why there's no such thing as a "prince" only weapon....
...maybe tsu should be prince only instead of knight only...then we'll see how many of you guys complain about that =P

and eh...you all sound as if knight OWNS the game...well...they do...cause..
melantus (lineage official board moderator) said it out loud over there saying
(loosely translate)
""Knights will always be the best fighter in lineage, the other classes are weak comparing to knight class"

...1-hand tsu sure broke my dream of using elf to beat knights....oh well.....

and the new magic spells....nc said they wont all be inplemented...
as they stated that some spells will be "abused" or "unbalanced"...
so i guess the following spells would NOT be implemented
lv 8 spell: firewall
lv 9 spell: immune to harm
lv 10 spell: destroy (disintegrate), disintegrating spear, paralyze all (stop)

haha...all the best spells are probably not implmented....
so..fat chance mage will ever get even - -"

April 28, 2002 01:50 am ET (#92)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

i only want immune to harm immune to harm immune to harm....
Weeeee~~~~~
those sea dancer SHOULD drop immune to harm as RARE~
since they're totally immuned to harm -_-

April 28, 2002 02:04 am ET (#93)

vinsanity
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-20-02

YAY FIRST POST AND IT'S 1 HANDED SO I CAN WEAR SHELD AND TSU!!
THEY SHOULD ADD DMG TO IT TO MAKE IT THE BEST THAT IT COULD EVER HAVE!!

April 28, 2002 02:29 am ET (#94)

TOOL
Loyal Fan
162 posts
10-28-01

ummm...whats that whip you people talk about --? Do you mean wipe O_o? and yall are only complainin cuz ya dont have a tsu and are scared of being pked by a tsu. If you are scared of being pked go to ken server, all the silly ppl go there ^^;. and theres probably only 1~5 ppl with +9 tsu (maybe more) so its not that much to worry about(yet o_O?) and i cant beleive some of you thought ppl would actually work together and pk...these silly ppl would end up killing each other, so dont worry and always remember to venz and verr ^^;~! (teleport and escape for all you newbs o.o;;;)

April 28, 2002 02:46 am ET (#95)

ChillMaster
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69 posts
03-03-02

wow...you ppl complain too much its just a game. another thing NCI is pretty unprofessional with their work so i wouldnt count on them that much

April 28, 2002 02:46 am ET (#96)

ChillMaster
Loyal Fan
69 posts
03-03-02

wow...you ppl complain too much its just a game. another thing NCI is pretty unprofessional with their work so i wouldnt count on them that much

April 28, 2002 03:17 am ET (#97)

Tweak
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456 posts
10-21-01

NC THX ALOT for put it one hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP DOIN great job !!!!!!!

April 28, 2002 04:06 am ET (#98)

s1011112
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75 posts
06-21-02

Tested and true:
+9 rapier owns +7 tsurugi

April 28, 2002 04:22 am ET (#99)

BlueMasK
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110 posts
11-07-01

How much +7tsurugi in ken server right now?? can some1 tell me..

April 28, 2002 04:36 am ET (#100)

Litmus
Loyal Fan
8 posts
04-24-02

-.-; u know..... they(nc) r just making one at a time....
its just that knight was first to get more completed......
and someday mage will rule ... someday elf will rule.....
aditionally ppl who come from korean server makes elf often....-.-;
so i guess we have to wait until the real STUFFS comes to REAL server
to know its real power and affect......
so ....plz BE QUIET! PPL POSTING MORE COMPLAIN AFTER THIS POST HAVE TO
BE STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!just give me re: ....not bad things about wat i said
^^;;;;;; i know someone will think different but lets all just wait for it
to come.....and u know its more real like that one is stronger
like rich is strong in society ...or something like that....^^*
GL TO U ALL WHO PLAY LINEAGE!!!!!
and i thing it was #68 ottoman's words.....i dont want more ppl quiting the
game......we have just the good amount or a little less ppl
and its just fine with me ^^ i get to kill more mops

April 28, 2002 04:41 am ET (#101)

Solnac
Loyal Fan
113 posts
10-25-01

Maybe NC should just make some a new server, that would be good because all the new people would start at same lvl and have a chance to be powerful in the game.

April 28, 2002 07:01 am ET (#102)

BigPope
LC Admin
622 posts
01-18-02

Solnac trsut me if your not powerful now. you wont be powerful on a new server. The people that can go from 10 ac to -45 ac in 1 month are the ones that will be powerful when a new server starts. also the people that can waste the most time on lineage. A new server will just make all prices shoot sky high so its harder for newbies to get strong in frist place.

April 28, 2002 07:19 am ET (#103)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

NCI might probably give the update to us when the new town is ready o.o
i think they like to give us a WHOLE lot of update at once than piece by piece

April 28, 2002 02:21 pm ET (#137)

BloodLusts
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313 posts
01-26-02

Amer is one of the WebMasters of Compendium

April 28, 2002 02:47 pm ET (#139)

karrot
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47 posts
04-24-02

Karrot here Im back for good hmmm The4, Onlyone dont cause trouble here you might regret it. Seems like theres alot of changes that happened since I left for my vacation. I hope to see you guys in the game, Hello to MAGKAPA pledge!!!

April 28, 2002 03:01 pm ET (#141)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

ah but arent there others.Cant they do anything about it!

April 28, 2002 03:12 pm ET (#148)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

Knightspirit... many tests done on test server.... at 10 hits each +8 rap rolled better damage over time then +8 tsur did.

April 28, 2002 03:54 pm ET (#153)

EX-CON
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597 posts
03-19-02

if he bans u u can make a new name and make fun there, cant u?

April 28, 2002 04:01 pm ET (#154)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

No, I ban by IP, by email address and a few other ways. Now they have to find a new ISP and some other things to even see part of the site again. It pleases me to inconvenience them. :)

April 28, 2002 04:32 pm ET (#157)

TOOL
Loyal Fan
162 posts
10-28-01

blahk thought amer was confused o_o;;; anyways back to the topic ~.~ tsu should weigh more to balance the game out a bit more O_o;

April 28, 2002 04:49 pm ET (#159)

ChillMaster
Loyal Fan
69 posts
03-03-02

wow see now if i was banned from a site i probably wouldnt give a damn. people get way to into things. and even if you insult someone that was banned its still rule violation -.- so you guys should get deleted as well.

April 28, 2002 05:05 pm ET (#160)

computerguy
Loyal Fan
113 posts
01-09-02

Grrrrrr Nc is really screwing this up like people here said every update gets WORSE o m g I really dont care about the 1 handed thing but if they do make staffs 2 handed i will mess them up soooo bad and if your wondering how dont ask i have my ways. I really do hope they will eventually put all the speells in but honestly im starting to hate the game everything is really messing me up and i really am incouraging NC to make mana pots not those things that increase your recovery but something that gives like 20-40 points of mana back!O and one more thing If Nc doesnt get those spells in soon im gona get mad cause us mages decided to trade in health weapons armor and general "stuff" for magic. I decided to go with mage cause I know that disintegrate is the ultimate weapon to PK or hunt BIG mops like dragons. And if NC dares not to put in the spells ill mess em up MORE I bet Korean has already gotten the level 10 spells! Grrrrrn and i really hope NC adds the new spells soon.

April 28, 2002 05:17 pm ET (#161)

computerguy
Loyal Fan
113 posts
01-09-02

1 more little post if the mages dont get disintegrate the knights will be the ultimate but when we do hehehehehehehehe you will be so screwed we can kill any knight with 1 hit. and the nest part is the meteoer strike is out that means a bunch o mabey 5 knights with max ac +10 tsu and haste/ brave ghast and fully enchanted will die just like that from 1 mage then u can take out even more with 2 meteors and when those knights get to close u just tele away hehehe so once/ if we get those spells on mages mages will become POWERFUL so mages will become the ultimate pkers but the thing is we will run outta mana with those spells fast so that evens it out even though we can kill a group single handedly we can only do it once every 30 mins or and hour depending on how much mana u need to recover. Then elves will be able to shoot arrows and run away with haste so thats their advantage and the prince can get a pledge full of them and bacome a killer group. In a way of speaking the prince rules but only is he has very loyal pledge members. plus the prince can tele away from the balttle and have mages finish off em all hehehe.

April 28, 2002 05:22 pm ET (#162)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

You're right ChillMaster. Now that those posts are deleted, alot of these comments don't make any sense/are insulting too. To make a long story short, some people spammed the site and now they are permanently banned. I tried to delete some of the responses to the spamming too (no offense to those posts that were deleted, but it just made no sense when the spamming was gone.

April 28, 2002 05:22 pm ET (#163)

computerguy
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113 posts
01-09-02

Sorry about lying but i just wanted to say that the update with the tamed monsters untaming near dragons is really stinky. NC freaked out when they saw 10 people kill anthras. It was just wrong i mean so what they used a strategic plan to win NC wants us all just to headon the dragons and die i mean wait till u just get a load of kinghts and a few mages loaded to the brim with ress scrolls kill anthras then NC will get totaly mad and say ress scrolls dont work in the dungeons or the thing will have AI and murder anything with ress scrolls that just dont want us to kill him thats all. you have seen that on Kprea and here they are just plain cheap they want anthras to be a specail foe that cant die.

April 28, 2002 05:49 pm ET (#164)

computerguy
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113 posts
01-09-02

Amer if u see thins post im wodering if you remeber me from ken the level 24 mage that wis u 2 times plz delelte this after you read it cause its not on topic and dont ban me i just think that your pretty neat btw what class are you I just thought it would be neat to know u since i admire your reseaches. Plz if you dont want me to try to talk to you like this again just tell me and dont ban me compendium is my info for lineage.

April 28, 2002 05:51 pm ET (#165)

SELain
Loyal Fan
39 posts
04-06-02

I think maybe NC doesn't want it to become something that 10 high level chars with tames/summons kill everyday to make themselves very rich very fast. I mean, the drops divided by 10 would still be a huge amount of money I think...

April 28, 2002 06:32 pm ET (#166)

Ottoman
Loyal Fan
94 posts
03-15-02

blah blah blah....mages this mages that..why you worry about damn mages so much... relax they will get their stupid spells and everyone will be happy.. they just need time for most knights to be able to afford a tsu and then they will bring in those spells..because if mages get disintigrate right when 1hs tsu comes out the spell is easy to get from mops but its not easy to get 5 t-q gems and ash and stuff needed to make tsu so just chill you will get your damn spells.

April 28, 2002 06:40 pm ET (#167)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

meteor strike now requires 3 magic gems... why?

April 28, 2002 07:19 pm ET (#168)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

why huh?......cus magic gems are too cheap now
GM wantta raise its price =)
you know, they love to toy with our time
wasting our adena and get us to play lineage longer for more
.... how do you know meteor requires 3 magic gems alwayz ?.?

April 28, 2002 08:35 pm ET (#172)

TCUBED
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109 posts
03-18-02

vinsanity...if you read this email me at checodaman@aol.com or im me...or just holla back on this thingy here, i used to be in the pledge vinsanity ^^)

April 28, 2002 08:58 pm ET (#173)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

Computerguy. You think your disintegrate and meteor strike will be as strong as Anthaurus or GM's? LOL

April 28, 2002 09:00 pm ET (#174)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Hehe. Amers site will crash if these posts keep comeing. This is the most insane thing nsoft has done. Makes you want to think what they can posably be thinking. They changed the game and the economy so many times that holding on to some newbie items for a month might make someone rich. EX: Silver Serpent Nackless

How can lineage become a balanced game when nsoft (god knows what they are thinking) take all the wrong steps. Mages who are close to being as strong as knights in ways. On ken they are better hunters. On dep and test they can use paralize which is just super cheap and wrong. They are given more spells. Ok that is a good idea but nsoft should have balanced out spells like paralize first.

First Nsoft gave elfs walfers. People said they made them too strong. Than they took em out and it made them too weak. They put em back and they still weak.

Now knights on ken and dep are pritty strong. They are even to knights in ways, but on test its very difrent. On test people use alot more, better pots and beacuse of this knights are stronger. AC plays a bigger role on knights beacuse people use more pots. Adding a Tsu not only made mages and elfs totaly inferior, but it also made strong knights have an even bigger advantage over the not so rich people. The knights to already have or can aford a +9 tsu will be able to pk madly and make life misarible for the weaker players.

If I was nsoft I whould
1.Wipe or rollback test server.
2.Make Tsu much harder to make. Maybe 300 ash or make ash more rare. Also ash should be like an quest item so that people cant buy or sell it.
3. Make cansle only work in sieges and on mops.
4. Make RC scrool work vs para spell and make para spell work much less.
5. Give a prince some new spacil powers like fixing alliance. If a pledge member hits his prince/ss than he should become pink for an hour so that guards attack him. Stuff like that.
6. Give elfs a bow quest.
7. Put in the dex/ac rule into test.
8. Put in dragon slayer test. 2 handed and hard test.
9. Make drakes and all other bosses spwan more and harder to camp.
10. Make bosses harder for 1 person to kill alone.
11. Make a new non pk test server.
12. Alot of other changes...

I just find it sad on how people pay for a game that cant be stragaticly played because it changes all the time and becomes more unbalanced each time.

Also some people on this board said that we should shut up wile nsoft does changes. Those people are idiots becuase we are the customers. Am I not right.

April 28, 2002 09:05 pm ET (#175)

Reece
Loyal Fan
50 posts
01-14-02

If Tsurugi is one handed, ALL weapons should be one handed, considering it is the strongest of them all anyway...

April 28, 2002 09:25 pm ET (#176)

EX-CON
Loyal Fan
597 posts
03-19-02

no tsurugi should be one handed cause it would be in rl it not a big wep that why such low dmg to big mops.Dragonslayer should be two handed.2hs,greatsword,d/s,all axes and polararms should be 2 handed.I dunno about staffs it will mess up mages cause no shield and will lose lots of ac.But all axes,polararms and some swords should be 2 handed but not tsu.But o well by opinion wont mean nothing.

April 28, 2002 09:31 pm ET (#177)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Those are the dumb opinions of knights with a tsu.

April 28, 2002 10:21 pm ET (#178)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

Re; [General]

1 Handed Tsuragi will own. That's it. Sell a COI and you can get one. Or hunt for a month and get the stuff. They're really not that rare. It's just that no one wants to make one, because "They suck 2 handed." Well, now everyone is going to be making tsuragis, and you'll see how abundant they'll become in only a month.

And what I don't get is NC's business techniques. Ubering the knights first? How is that a smart move? I already know of MANY people who have quit Lineage because it was unballanced. Now they add 1handed tsuragi, and many more will leave. Why don't they add all the stuff in for everyone first? Why is it that the knights get they're bonuses first? I'll tell you why. NC looks at the population of Lineage and sees that most are knights. They see that they should help the majority of the costumers first. But I'm sure that if a rich man offered more money for a car than a poor man whom had the car held for him, and the company sold the car to the rich man, they (the company) would get sued. But of course NC doesn't see it like this. They see it as "Oh, more knights are playing. Instead of delaying everyone a while and make a little of everyone upset, lets make the majority happy and make a lot of the minorites upset." It's all about fast money to them, not about long-term, high pay-offs. They should've just delayed everyone a while, added constant events to tide everyone over, and then added everything at once. But now, NC's dug themselves into a hole, and they can't go back. They have to, somehow, appease the minority, or make them mad untill they give them their time to shine.

I think they should put in the Cray's test, and make tsuragi 2 handed and give it to princes/ses. They are supposed to be something like Paladins, and be rulers and masters, not some low, dumbed-down version of knights. Yes, they should be nerfed because they can make pledges, but not this much... Give them HOM:X, too.

Re; Dein [#66]

Right now, the knight's bonuses outweigh elves and mages skills combined. Let's take an example of an attempted PK. Lets use an elf-mage pk team against any average 45+ knight. Give the pks a pre-emptive attack, and the knight a +6-9, 1handed tsuragi. Mage tries to para while elf keeps knight busy. Knight green/brave/HOM enchant, and recover with some pots. He runs up to elf and wacks away, elf pumps pots, teles, and then knight turns to mage. Mage teles easily.
As you can see, yes, every class has it's own advantage and place in the game. But right now, the knight is besting all other classes. Just give them a minute to catch up, and your elf/mage/elf-mage team is/are gone. Untill every class gets their "time to shine," knight will rule over every other class.

Re; Reece [#118]

Very good theory. Why make the best (stat-wise) weapon 1 handed?

Re; [Can't remember/Can't find]

"Funny how Melantus says that they don't want another drop-increase event because it screws up the economy, but then they do this."
[Not taken word-for-word]

I thought that was pretty funny :)

April 28, 2002 11:05 pm ET (#179)

BigPope
LC Admin
622 posts
01-18-02

I really think its a mistake making tsu 1 handed. the tsu is so much better then any 2 handed weapon currently on ken(ken has no ds so dont go blabing about that). and 2 handed weapons are supossed to have more strength then a 1 handed weapon. I am gunna go with the reason that its 1 handed is cus when they did the boss belt update something went wrong and the tsu went 1 handed. and that the 1 handedness will never come to the us live servers and the 1 handedness will switched back to 2 hands on test.

April 28, 2002 11:21 pm ET (#180)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

World of Lineage has a screenshot with two +7 Dragon Slayers. Are they real? Does that mean tsuragi isn't the most powerful weapon on Dep?

April 28, 2002 11:35 pm ET (#181)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

It will be when 1handed tsuragi hits Dep...

April 28, 2002 11:52 pm ET (#182)

NoLuCK
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76 posts
03-21-02

First thing I see when reading thses comments is that almost all are biased because of their class.

Its hard to imagine that the TSU would not be 1 handed unless it benefits gameplay. I do not even play a knight anymore and feel that the change to 1 handed is long overdue.

Knights still have lots of problems that make them difficult to level up. They need something that gives them some sort of edge. And a 16/10 sword is really not going to make that much difference in the long run. The enchant value of the sword is where the most damage seems to come in.

NC did smart to first make the sword 2 handed until they were of the changes to gameplay that the sword would make. They got a chance to stand back a bit and see how it affected things in Foriegn servers. Imagine the outrage if the sword was 1-handed but changed to be 2-handed because it was found to be too powerful!

As for the TSU making knights too powerful; i dont believe that. Knights will still need to return home to get potions. My only suggestion is that princes should be allowed to use a TSU as well.

In regard to "Right now, the knight's bonuses outweigh elves and mages skills combined." Mage still smokes all other classes in all forms of combat. If a mage uses a manastaff and staff of force he can hunt for a long period of time without even needing to return to town to restock. In addition, in almost all duels a mage will beat a knight in 1 on 1 combat because of being able to use heal. I have not played elf much lately so I cannot defend or deny that part of your statement.

Don't rely on peoples biased opinions about how easy a knight is to play. Please do your research first :)

In my opinion the strongest class is Mage. Followed by Knight and Elf, with Prince clearly being the least powerful (but they have the power of the people :p).

April 29, 2002 12:08 am ET (#183)

killamage24
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72 posts
01-05-02

which thing do i click on to see the animations on elf.24cc.cc?(i cant read chinese/japanese/korean)

April 29, 2002 12:09 am ET (#184)

Elbryan
Loyal Fan
180 posts
01-21-02

NoLuck? Do you realize that your comments are COMPLETELY biased because of your (former) class? And knight are hard to level? Money consumption is high, but they are the WAY easiest class to powerlevel.. They never have to worry about MP, while the elf/mage have to regenerate it somewhere or (mage)hit something with a SOM that will give it back (and high level places are horrible for MP stealing).Downtime is so high for these guys..
Mages don't smoke other classes in PvP. Mage spells can be counteracted fairly easily with some MR equipment (not to forget high knight ER), and mages have bad AC (so no buffer for them from a hard hitting knight). And stunlock? It's a joke for all classes other than knight with their excellent hitback. Even a nimble 18 dex elf gets stunlocked like crazy, especially with a knight hitting you like a machine gun. And knights take less damage from spells (in addition to MR) AND bows(in addition to AC) due to ER.. why isn't there something other than AC that determines reduced damage from getting hit during melee?
I think knights are the strongest, followed by mages and elves (a high level elf with good equipment will be close to a mage in ranking) and last the poor princes.

April 29, 2002 12:18 am ET (#185)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

Re; NoLuCK [#125]

In fact, my VERY first char was a knight (Luface, back in Beta). Then I swiched to an elf, and focused on them most. As soon as I heard this about 1 handed tsuragi, I ressurected my old knight (from before Heine), Lachnivar. By FAR, knights are EASY to lvl. And I hunt with my elf (which is lvl 35+) and need 20/30 oranges. All classes need pots. The experience they get from meleeing everything with pots is better than the use of a dog/summon by mages, or dog/pots by elves. Every duel I see between a mage and knight, the knight owns. The mage freezes/slows the knight, but the knight can shake it off easily (waiting it out or using greens) and take down the mage. And btw, so far, every mage that I have dueled I have beaten. But, of course, that's because all they do is try to freeze/para me, and fail. :) I haven't dueled a mage with sof yet. But I HAVE dueled a knight, a few lvls higher, but lower AC, with a +7 (2 handed) Tsuragi. I got OWNED beyond belief. People are just pissed that it's 2 handed that they don't bother to even try them. But in fact, they are very usefull.

"Mage still smokes all other classes in all forms of combat."
Really? I agree that they 'smoke' all other classes in hunting, but dueling and seiging, they aren't exactly the most usefull...

I am not relying on people's biased opinions. I am have done my own research first. 1 handed tsuragi = bad idea. Perhaps YOU should do YOUR research first?

April 29, 2002 12:29 am ET (#186)

killamage24
Loyal Fan
72 posts
01-05-02

omg...........in hk the animations are so cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!im making a mage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 29, 2002 12:51 am ET (#187)

Yeildarb
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179 posts
01-19-02

Re; killamage24 [#129]

..your name is killamage24... you don't have a mage already..?

April 29, 2002 01:02 am ET (#188)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Nsoft should ask us what we want and not creat somthing stupid. Just cus alot of knights play doesnt mean that we all want a 1 handed tsu. Only high lvl super knights want it. High super knights is a smaller minority than princess. Ok fine make tsu 1 handed but only 1 handed to princes.

April 29, 2002 01:49 am ET (#189)

IronMage
Loyal Fan
55 posts
04-24-02

So many posts :)
Anyway making 1-handed tsurugi is the best thing that will happed on this server since i quit, so stop crying every1...When i get back my knight will pk all of you with a rap) :)

April 29, 2002 02:22 am ET (#190)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

My knight will be level 50 soon and I don't think 1 handed tsu is a good idea.

April 29, 2002 03:46 am ET (#191)

NoLuCK
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76 posts
03-21-02

Recently there were some GM hosted events on the Korean servers.. did anyone see those results? Level 46 mages with 4x ac and SOF beating level 49 knights with 5x ac and 1-h TSU? Surely if knights using the all powerful 1H TSU had some overwhelming ability to win they would have done so.

I think most people are afraid that your trusty Katana and Rapiers will become useless. They won't.

For me, not even the allure of a 1H TSU will make me play a Knight again. I would however, change back to a Knight or an Elf, if my trusty SOM were changed to 2H.

Elbryan: to which former class are you referring? Ive played them all..

Yeildarb - your research is based on the fact that you lost in a duel to a knight with a 2H TSU. It only proves that you as a mage could not beat him - not that the class is weak.

So ill retract my comment about Mages being able to smoke knights in a duel. My mages can smoke Knights in a duel. There will be the return of GreatRift, NoLuCK, and LaGuNa to the US servers this summer. Until then, I cannot back up my comments.

April 29, 2002 11:01 am ET (#192)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

Mage can always beat knight =]
wb, and the knight's done
para, and the knight's done

btw... without spells, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a level 46 mage with sof to even think about beating level 49 knight who has a tsu

April 29, 2002 02:18 pm ET (#193)

cruelgame
LC Reporter
290 posts
04-04-02

It is impossible for any level mage to beat any 48+ knight without spells, regardless of what weapon he is using.

April 29, 2002 03:25 pm ET (#194)

RGConqueror
Loyal Fan
221 posts
03-22-02

Mage with sof = knight with dagger. Mage venz.
lvl 5 mage with para (lvl down alot) vs lvl 100knight. Mage paras and knight venz. Para is realy realy cheap.

Mage WBs and knight has an exstra +rap on him and mage venz.

Mage with enchants and +sof= 30 damage 45 per sec
Knight with a Tsu = 30+ damage 60 per sec

April 29, 2002 10:29 pm ET (#195)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

Re; NoLuCK [#134]

I never dueled a knight with a mage, it was with my elf... I lost with my elf that had a FEW lvls lower, but better AC. And it wasn't only one time when I lost to a 2 handed tsuragi. I dueled a few people who had tsuragis, and they hurt -_-;; I don't think that you've tried a tsuragi yet. Go try one. The 1 handed, 16/10 tsuragi is better than a rapier against undead.. Just because rapier gets a bonus doesn't mean that it beats out an over-uber weapon like Tsuragi...

And no, I did not see those GM hosted events. But have you seen almost any seige on korean server? When Tsuragi just came out on korean server (1 handed), knights OWNED a seige (other main pledge did not have tsuragis). 5-10 knights owned a whole pledge. The only reason that mages 'smoked' knights with higher lvl and higher AC in those events is that they;

1) Used Para/Freeze/Etc.
2) Have updates (remember, Korea has *MANY* more updates for every class than we do, including all/more spells)
3) Used more pots (heal/mana)

Mage will not beat knight in 1:1 without using cheap spells. That's all there is to it. I assume that you haven't played in awhile, as you said you'll be back in summer. So I assume that you haven't 'dueled a tsuragi' yet, am I right? Like I said, try to get all your information first.

April 30, 2002 03:47 am ET (#196)

NoLuCK
Loyal Fan
76 posts
03-21-02

Just thought I'd set the record straight.

>1) Used Para/Freeze/Etc.
Nope.
>2) Have updates (remember, Korea has *MANY* more updates for every class than we do, including all/more spells)
Nope.
>3) Used more pots (heal/mana)
I suppose this might be right. Only spell the mage used in the no potion duel was a heal spell.

Knight with 600hp only has 600hp. A Mage with 350hp and 400mp has upwards of 2000hp (using greater heal). Even with speedier hit and stronger damage a knight will rarely use up more than 200 mp from the mage.

Knights with TSU should not beat mage in a 1:1 duel if the mage is smart. If its a potion fight perhaps the knight can win. (Elf.. run and shoot? can win?)

Yes, I have dueled a player with +8TSU - +9 Rapier did better in duel than the +8TSU did. However, it was against a CON Knight - i expect a +8TSU to be much stronger on a STR knight.

My info is just there for all you people who say TSU is a god weapon. Its not.
Will u get owned by a pledge of +TSU wearering Knights if they gang up on you - of course. This is the same for any +sword or any class.

Anyway, 1h or 2h does not matter to me. It shouldn't matter to you either unless you want one. Perhaps you put it best when you said "Like I said, try to get all your information first."

If you dont like what I have to say.. ignore me. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear.

April 30, 2002 07:20 pm ET (#197)

Yeildarb
Loyal Fan
179 posts
01-19-02

Elves don't run and shoot. That's almost as cheap as mages trying to para...

And the mages in korea have many more updates, like I said. Not just the new spells, but the int bonus and etc.

Never once did I say Tsuragi was a God weapon. I'm just saying it's really not that bad. Comparing a tsuragi to a rapier is like a rapier to a katana. Now, it will be like a katana compared to a dragon slayer. A metaphor which I like, because it's quite accurate.

Of course a mage could beat a knight in 1:1 duel if their smart. But knights don't have to be smart. They get a 16/10, 1handed weapon, HOM, plenty more, better armour, and highest ER to think for them. But the way that NC's going (expecially with this update), we have to try to think harder and harder. At one point, we're not going to be able to think at all.

1 Haned Tsuragi is a good idea, but horribly timed. They should have implimented the Dex/AC bonus a month or two before they put in the 1handed tsuragi so we elves had a chance to beef up a little before we get beat down by a 1handed tsuragi.

August 25, 2002 07:28 am ET (#198)

Doomscythe
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1155 posts
03-21-02

GOOOOOOO 1 HANDED TSU!

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