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June 17, 2002 09:41 pm ET - research by NC - Austin
6/18 - US Live Server publish
The following items will be included in the publish for US Lineage servers at 10:00am central US time on June 18:
  • You can now drop the following items upon death:
    • key
    • tanari key [this is presumably the "gold key" from Baphomet -am]
    • shelob room key
    • amulet of dupelgenon
    • werewolf room key
  • The candle is now set to not drop upon death, regardless of alignment of the player
  • A Scroll of Escape to Hidden Valley or Singing Island will work outside of the New Player areas, but can only be used by players until level 9.
  • The maximum number of summons and pets a player can control is equivalent to Charisma / 6 (divided by 6). Prince/Princesses and Mages will get one extra, while elves can get an extra two.
  • A new Summon table is being added.
    • Level 28 - Werewolf
    • Level 32 - Lizardman
    • Level 36 - Ratman
    • Level 40 - Bugbear
    • Level 44 - Skeleton Guard
    • Level 48 - King Bugbear
    • Level 52 - Ettin
  • The Teleporter NPCs in the New Player areas will teleport players of every level out of the region.
  • Fafurion spawn is being reactivated.
  • Stats of boss-type monsters and dragons are being increased.
  • Added the Potion of Mana Regeneration. It increases mana regeneration in proportion to WIS.
  • Dragon Scales will now spawn at rare instances throughout a wide range of locations.
  • New player areas have been redesigned. NPCs in Singing Island and Hidden Valley will be different then previous locations.
  • Added in new player dungeons and items.
  • Added in the new Class system, which contains the following:
    • Knight: Additional +1 “To Hit” for every 3 levels of the character
      Damage +1 for every 10 levels of the character
    • Elves: Additional +1 “To Hit” for every 5 levels of the character
      Bow-only damage +1 for every 10 levels of the character
      Base MR is 25 from the start of level 1
    • Mages: Base MR is 15 from the start of level 1
    • Prince/Princess: Additional +1 “To Hit” for every 5 levels of the character
      Base MR is 10 at level 1
  • INT can affect the amount of MP required for casting spells. Higher INT can reduce mana consumption. The amount of MP reduced will also be affected by the level of the spell, in addition to the caster’s INT.
  • AC changes to Elves, Mages, and Princes/Princesses are such that these classes will take slightly more damage then before. Less damage will be relieved by their AC. Knights are unaffected.
  • Kurtz returns to Aden.
  • Staff of Mana has been changed to a reduced “To Hit” amount, and it’s mana draw ability has been reduced slightly.
  • Giant Ant Queen damage is reduced.
  • The delay time between drinking potions has been increased. Orange and extra healing potions have twice the delay between consumption of red potions.

LC note: Please email in any info you can collect on mana pot drops and their frequency. Thanks!

June 17, 2002 09:44 pm ET (#1)
WaRLoRD
Loyal Fan

92 posts
01-28-02

1st post

June 17, 2002 09:44 pm ET (#2)
aaronhead
Loyal Fan

93 posts
10-24-01

There goes the game with the potion delay. That sux on test and will really suck on live.

June 17, 2002 09:44 pm ET (#3)
moesti
Loyal Fan

7 posts
01-07-02

oooh wish I was level 52 with my mage ^^

glad i am full lawfull with all my chars, this candle thing was easy

June 17, 2002 09:44 pm ET (#4)
WaRLoRD
Loyal Fan

92 posts
01-28-02

and, some of those are pretty coo, while others suck big time, like the char/6 thing =P

June 17, 2002 09:45 pm ET (#5)
TheOnlyOne
Loyal Fan

42 posts
05-06-02

Woo great update

June 17, 2002 09:51 pm ET (#6)
Smokie
Loyal Fan

139 posts
02-26-02

POTION DELAY? BULL THIS SUCKS ! CHANGE IT BACK, EVER NOTICE THE CANCE OF DEATH INCREASE !!!! SCREW THIS !

WHAT IS THE POINT OF POTION DELAY ??? IT DOES NOTHING BUT INCREASE CHANCE OF PEOPLE DYING ! NC IS JUST BIENG CRAPPY AND WANT PEOPLE TO LOOSE THINGS !!!!!!!

June 17, 2002 09:53 pm ET (#7)
ZPsyMageZ
Loyal Fan

110 posts
12-01-01

OMG ! 0.o

June 17, 2002 09:54 pm ET (#8)
StoneWolf
Loyal Fan

11 posts
05-15-02

Someone explain to me why elves, mages, and prince(ss)s get reduced AC effect!!!!!!! Shouldn't it be the knights that get the reduction?!?!?! Do they just want to make it even harder for Elves to 1:1 knights?!?!?! WHY ME SPIRITS OF ADEN, WHY ME?!

June 17, 2002 09:55 pm ET (#9)
puntangpi
Loyal Fan

9 posts
06-05-02

great update???? yea right the damn potion delay sucks! it take like 5 years for the next potion to come after the first... Thanks to NC Soft this game is becoming to suck... So many people are gonna level down and die easier because of the potions... For what it's worth NC SUCKS!!!

now everyone will have to hunt with clears cuz if ur getting messed up by a bunch of monsters and are using oranges it will be too slow and you will have to use the clears which will be harder to make the money for if ur a newbie.. >.<! all i have to say they better take that off cuz ALOT of people will not want to play if they keep leveling down or losing their items!!!

June 17, 2002 09:56 pm ET (#10)
Rincewind
Loyal Fan

279 posts
02-12-02

Potion *delay*?????

Damn...taking out double-pumping is bad enough, but this??? Not only that but bosses will be even *stronger*!! It's like they're doing their best to make this game unplayable!

June 17, 2002 09:57 pm ET (#11)
StoneWolf
Loyal Fan

11 posts
05-15-02

Someone explain to me why elves, mages, and prince(ss)s get reduced AC effect!!!!!!! Shouldn't it be the knights that get the reduction?!?!?! Do they just want to make it even harder for Elves to 1:1 knights?!?!?! WHY ME SPIRITS OF ADEN, WHY ME?!

June 17, 2002 09:57 pm ET (#12)
Smokie
Loyal Fan

139 posts
02-26-02

1. NC DROP RATE SUCKS !
2. POTION DELAY SUCKS !
3. IT SHOULD BE KNIGHTS RECIEVING LESS PROTECTION FROM ARMORS AND ELFS.. CUZ THEY ARE BOTH STRONG.. NOT MAGE AND PRINCE !

June 17, 2002 09:59 pm ET (#13)
Cogency
Loyal Fan

64 posts
12-05-01

The delay time between drinking potions has been increased <--- sucks

June 17, 2002 10:00 pm ET (#14)
Fishstik
Loyal Fan

97 posts
04-24-02

yes the potion delay really sucks >.< ...everything else is good... ^_^

June 17, 2002 10:01 pm ET (#15)
guttermouth
Loyal Fan

68 posts
06-15-02

NOOOO MY MAGE how do they expect us mages to be able to hunt we need double pump and the AC thing horrible just horrible

June 17, 2002 10:01 pm ET (#16)
Earthsiege
Loyal Fan

56 posts
10-10-01

This really sux...I played on test with this, died 8 times in 1 day cuz of the delay. Oh, and StoneWolf, quit repeating yourself

June 17, 2002 10:02 pm ET (#17)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

Stone... Mel did an explaination which is really shitty.
I mean.. He said elves have the dogs to become meat shields while they just shoot, any fast monster will just run up to the elf and destroy them. How much exp will you get from that?
Mages.... increased level of summon but how are you gonna get to that level with the damage you receive? NC's suppose a mage get to 45+ with just pure magic? That's a joke.
Prince? HAHAHAHA!!! They get nothing but jackshit.
So I guess this is the way NC balances... screws all other classes and just make everyone play knights.
And i guess NC employees should try leveling a real char without admin powers and tell us how it's like.

June 17, 2002 10:03 pm ET (#18)
Shah
Loyal Fan

87 posts
06-10-02

The blue pots drop frequently on test..but certainly not gonna be the same on live servers. As for the frequency delay of pot consumption, well what can I say? they want people to die more. I dont see how that really enhances the game experience!
Also isnt the elven forest also a new player zone? how come it still sucks as before? Even on test server ents wouldnt give even twig! Many elves there prefer to move to the hidden valley to level up and earn some money istead of being stuck with the elven forest where only wild boar may drop money at one adena per drop!

June 17, 2002 10:04 pm ET (#19)
Avoron
Loyal Fan

2 posts
06-16-02

Guys calm down it is only a game
but you are right some of these new updates do suck but crying about them on here doesn't do alot of good email NC about it untill they get the idea that these were bad ideas

June 17, 2002 10:04 pm ET (#20)
karrot
Loyal Fan

47 posts
04-24-02

I found a way to kinda win over potion delay i carry oranges and heres what i do oranges heals me roughly 35-45 hp btw i have 320 hp and if i go below 280 i gulp an orange down in advance not waiting for my hp to reach below 220 this way i get plenty of time to heal while taking on 3-4 GSA and GA in Ant Cave try it it works just fine early potting is the key for now.

June 17, 2002 10:04 pm ET (#21)
Spyder
Loyal Fan

148 posts
12-04-01

zzz now its in live servers too, i thought it was a bug on test (the potion speeds) right now ora and clears need to wait until the dam color flashes twice until u can pump another O.o
on test this can be avoided cuz clears r ez and even bombflowers drop like 3 each but still! i rlly hope they bring dbl pump back!!..or even just normal pot speeds

June 17, 2002 10:06 pm ET (#22)
Doomscythe
Loyal Fan

1155 posts
03-21-02

I never use pots with my mage O.o i just heal heal heal... but pot delay is really stupid... They better take it out~!

June 17, 2002 10:10 pm ET (#23)
Pripps
Loyal Fan

11 posts
06-12-02

DOUBLE PUMPING SUX, LINEAGE IS NOT MENT TO HAVE DOUBLEPUMPING FROM THE START!! DAMN it . jesus fucking christ. The DELAY OWNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS stop fucking complaining

June 17, 2002 10:11 pm ET (#24)
sikrob
Loyal Fan

98 posts
04-03-02

who the FUCK is the brains behind this one? what a dumb bunch of motherfuckers that work at nc. mages who already have the worst ac are gonna take even more damage??? hmmm...sounds good guys lets put this in right away no time to think it over they arent knights fuck mages. fuck elves and princes too. no more double pumping potions? how can a mage take on drakes solo now? knights can still do it cause they dont get this gay ac change and they can hold enough pots to solo double drake. eh...what the fuck am i saying. double drake drop like shit anyway. i got double drake twice in a row today ALONE and all i got was a c-dai and 2 b-poly. this game is going straight to hell.

June 17, 2002 10:12 pm ET (#25)
Lancer
Loyal Fan

9 posts
05-13-02

I believe lineage is going to die because nc doing the shittest job ever... take double pump away, then mage,prince,elf ac lower wtf are you guys doing. You think lvling is easy for these char? The fact that double pump is taken away makes lvling hard enough for all 3 of these classes now u go and lower the ac too. wow nc must have the smartest idiots working there. Way to go imma quit when my account expires this is just plain pissing me off. Peace out VANGMAGE. Imma on test right now.

Azn Pride 2 da fullest!!!!!!

June 17, 2002 10:16 pm ET (#27)
spasmodium
Loyal Fan

7 posts
04-30-02

Lineage is getting reamed hard on this one. I'm glad I gave away my stuff last weekend, that way I don't have to every play this large bag of crap they call Lineage. Way to go NC, you suck real hard.

June 17, 2002 10:24 pm ET (#28)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

let me imagine what they'll say to u all...

lineage players: what do you think making lineage worse and worse every patch is going to do with the lineage players?

nc staff: i think this move will expel the lineage veterans, then by the newly designed newbie areas which will attract new players, we can then control their minds to do whatever we wish to squeeze out the monthly payment (of more than $15 a month) so that we can retire early, and laugh at them how they become our mindless pawn

June 17, 2002 10:24 pm ET (#29)
cliffede
Loyal Fan

6 posts
06-01-02

IT'S A SHAME!!!!
YOU'LL MAKE ME QUIT!!!DAMN
GOW IS POSSIBLE FOR INT/WIS MAGES GO AHEAD?
1)AC REDUCED
2)POTS DELAY
3)SUMMON BASED ON CHARISMA
4)ALL OTHER CHARACTER EXCEPT FOR MAGES HAVE HIT BONUS OR DAMAGE BONUS
5)I HAVE A WIS/INT MAGE AT 46LVL SO I CAN SUMMON 2 SKELE GUARDS AND I CANNOT EVEN HEAL THEM!!

NC THINK ABOUT THIS HORRIBLE UPDATE!!!FOR GOD SAKE!
IT REALLY SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 17, 2002 10:25 pm ET (#30)
cliffede
Loyal Fan

6 posts
06-01-02

I ALMOST FORGOT
6) SOM HIT AND DAMAGE REDUCED!!!

June 17, 2002 10:28 pm ET (#31)
Scaleb
Loyal Fan

224 posts
10-24-01

I'm not sure why they bother with test - They certainly have no plan to change updates that they add. It's purely to remove bugs, not alter changes made.

Ah well, it's a fairly good update all in all - MP discount based on int is nice. So are the dogs, even tho I should never have brought summon :/

Edit: Greater haste spell not in this update? :(

June 17, 2002 10:31 pm ET (#32)
sikrob
Loyal Fan

98 posts
04-03-02

how can they expect mages to hunt now with no hit bonus AND the som being nerfed even more. the whole reason i play i mage is so i can use magic. not go 1:1 mops like a knight. how can they make these changes without putting in the new magic? jesus christ. i think the people who work there smoke crack. honestly how can one company have so many morons making the worst moves over and over again.

ps. sorry for all the swearing earlier ^^

June 17, 2002 10:34 pm ET (#33)
YuGi
Loyal Fan

159 posts
02-19-02

use reds~:P

June 17, 2002 10:42 pm ET (#34)
Pepper
Loyal Fan

135 posts
02-11-02

lol....great job NCI
1) AC for elf/mage/prince class will absorb less damage. Mel explained on Lineage official boards that these three classes enjoy having 1/2 extra dogs, which knights don't, so they are supposed to use dogs to hunt and the dogs will block the monsters...Nice logic, how do you expect a lv 49 elf/mage/prince to hunt and get exp? With dogs? They will turn 50 by year 2010.
2) Why year 2010? Because then comes the potion delay. The nice %loss upon death reduction update was taken away from us...ok..so we just have to be more careful and avoid hunting when there's lag (Mainly the high levels) Now there's the potion delay...How are we suppose to save our asses when we experience lag?? Don't you pump like mad when u lag to try save urself? If u aren't fast enough to hit the tele home scroll. That means..Nci wants us to die and never get high lvl...so we will keep paying and labour for exp..nice philosophy there.
3) NCi have this tendency to contradict themselves. Ya ok...Bosses are being boost up while we keep getting nerfed...Mel replied to 'How do mages hunt boss with less summoned mops, since now bb's die within 2-3 hits from bosses' Mel said: 'Have you tried kbb? or ettin?' LMAO, how many lv 52 mages out there?? And..kbbs..they still die cus they can't heal or pump pots..so what's the sense?
4) I'm sorry if i'm being rude..or impolite but I think Melantus you are not doing a good job replying questions at all..All the answers are so vague and uncertain. If you are not sure about something..why bother answering and make a fool of yourself? (If you ever read this board)
5) This update is really shitty, and I dun think that mere 5..or is it 6 days of testing on test server can test anything at all...please take into consideration before updating something important on live servers.

June 17, 2002 10:44 pm ET (#35)
K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan

925 posts
05-04-02

wtf is this

this is terrible

we need double pump for pots

we're all gonna die more often now

this is total BS!

June 17, 2002 10:45 pm ET (#36)
K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan

925 posts
05-04-02

they should at least give us the low exp thing at death once again

will at least balance the game abit

June 17, 2002 10:48 pm ET (#37)
Protocol
Loyal Fan

271 posts
03-26-02

LISTEN everyone.... remember the time they changed the exp system??????????/ what did we do?!?!?!?!? COMPLAIN ON MAIN CHAT!!!!!!!^^ probably TONS of emails too! guess what we can do 2morrow when we recieve this update? thats rite complain -.- all i really want is the pot dely removed but feel free to complain about the otherS!!! COMPLAIN COMPLAIN..... the two greatest words in the universe o.o man..... this is totally gunna suck ass.... and whoever said double pumping is stupid/shouldn't b in game........ obviosly u probably don't know how to do it... or ur jus stupid and don't know how/when to use it...... or ur just plain stupid..... i want pot delay removed!!!!!! /.\

June 17, 2002 10:51 pm ET (#38)
Marzipan
Loyal Fan

8 posts
05-10-02

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the candles-never-being-dropped-upon-death part. I've never utilized that tip to hold candles while you're not full lawful (to increase your chances of not dropping something valuable when you die and hopefully dropping a candle instead) but it was a thoughtful idea, whoever came up with it.

How mean of NC to meddle with that! It's just pure MEAN~. Couple that with the potion drinking delay and I'm beginning to think that the people behind lineage are sadistic.

I can justify (not that I agree, but I can justify) their reasons behind the summons updates, and the like because they're (arguably) things that affect the balance of the game but dropping candles and quickly drinking potions does not make the game unfair to other players.

June 17, 2002 10:57 pm ET (#39)
Orcide
Loyal Fan

162 posts
10-05-01

pot delay = i wont pay after my account expires, goes for many people on ken.

including Marak2001, Kawasaki, and alot others after we talked about it on chat.
we all gonna email nci and ask them not to do this, and if others do it, they might remove that i hope.

so plz email them if u can and think u will

June 17, 2002 10:59 pm ET (#40)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

Protocol.... ditto. I also don't want the damage thing. I mean, knights already have the high ac and they should be the ones getting the penalty before any other classes do.

June 17, 2002 11:00 pm ET (#41)
ElfBlue
Loyal Fan

21 posts
12-11-01

Almost all the updates are sux!

June 17, 2002 11:06 pm ET (#42)
Vegeto
Loyal Fan

19 posts
05-26-02

hey everyone remember wat happend due to the exp update? well EVERYONE got extrmely pissed. The only way that that was resolved was that NC's email got FLOODED like crazy!!! so, FLOOD NC's EMAIL TO GET THIS STUPID POT DELAY CRAP OUT!!!!
~gogogo

June 17, 2002 11:07 pm ET (#43)
SELain
Loyal Fan

39 posts
04-06-02

I wonder if NC is losing money in US and trying to make everyone quit so they can cut their losses here...

June 17, 2002 11:10 pm ET (#44)
Protocol
Loyal Fan

271 posts
03-26-02

hey flyz wait a minute dont' be gettin carred away >.< i'm a knight u know ^^ hehehehe BOOOOOOOOOO NC!!!!!! remove pot delay..... if the ac penalty goez on knight too... w/e i don't care no1 is really gunna notice it.... i'm sure a few hp sacfriced will b benefical IF we can DOUBLE PUMP! or at least single pump the way we USED too -.- com'n nc... why don't u want us gettin higher lvs?!?!?! gettin higher lvs is wat makes us wanna play... not dieing and taking forever.... and taking forever will lead to everyone quitting game and u all gunna b left with nothing......

June 17, 2002 11:12 pm ET (#45)
Vegeto
Loyal Fan

19 posts
05-26-02

hmmm... anyone think that NC jus wants to ruin their buisness and not make money? and pull out money out of there own pocket jus so that can brag that they have their own game? i think so, but NC, what can you brag about when you totally screw your customers and never listen to them, and have none of them playing due to your stupidity?

June 17, 2002 11:14 pm ET (#46)
EX-CON
Loyal Fan

597 posts
03-19-02

one question why does nc hate us why the [****] up the game what they dont like their costumers happy? why do u ugly 65 yr old fat tards make us madd!!!its a game games are suppsoe to be a little hard and challeging but this is [****]ing nerft to the fullest i bet nc texas are all koreans yes they are alll korean they hate us!!!!!!!!nc korea gets the best they love lineage cause there something there to love.why cant they just let give us amazing drops easier lvls,no [****]ing shit like pot delay and stuff why....i just dont get it why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they do this to get us mad cause they know where are idiots who will keep on playing but i for one am gone to the limit.iam willing to go and kick all ur asses in nc texas u [****]ing homosexual queers [****] u [****] nc ban ban ban me [****] u [****] u hahhahahah [****] u ooops i smell ban ahhh n/m keep going [****] u [****] [****]u my fingers hurt [****] u [****] u u moms sucks my dick 24/7 [****] u [****] u kiss my white [****]ing assssss [****] u [****] u [****]u ur dads are 80yr old homos [****]u [****] u [****]u i maid my own song i guess iam eminem now [****]u it chopped up can liver [****] u [****]u cause without me there is no u without us theres no nc without nc the world a better place if i had the money i would buy nc then pay for u deaths [****] u [****]u all who work at LC are great keep it going but nc [****] u melantus [****] u whoever u are [****] u LB u were,u are,and u will alwsy be the biggest non-seen [****] the world has ever seen!!!!!!![****] u my mage is gone not deleted but thers no point using him!!!!!! first reduced hit with som or whatever staff i use.lvl 20 mage can hardly hit with a +0 imagine now lvl 50 mage with a +9som but take up 20 hits to do 1 dmg then i start popping pots oos i gotta wait might as well take a shit on ur so called [****]ing comics that i printed they suck balls too.then cha/6 i have 8 cha that 1 bb+1 = 2 bbs i might as well tame em iam ok with having 4 bbs i dont like summoning mroe than 4-5 but 1+1 = 2 is sucky.then next mages,elf,prince recieve more dmg than before,and all the rest why dont u just keep the one char u like KNIGHT u loves knights u must dream about sucking some knights [****] dont u [****]ing QUEERSSSSSSSS><><><><><><><><><><><><>queerrrrrrrrrssssssss!!!!!!!!! all the rest alos sucks i dont care!!!!who the [****] carres about the newbies island we leave at lvl 10 why so much [****]ing [****]ing time wasted yes i said [****]ing twice na 5 times [****] [****] [****] [****] [****]!!!!!!!!if i had u face to face i kick ur assses!!!!!even my sister hate u and she dont play lineage jsut be reading she can c why u suck [****]!!!!!!!!!bunch of idiots there ban ban ban i dont care i just gotta get my message straiit out ill be keep sending shit like this!!!!!!Amer u actuallu keep peeps that quit goign to site cause it rocks plz dont ban if u do o well iam go to all my friends and family house and neighbours make an account and do this again!!!!!!!Last set!!!!!!!! NC:[****]ing homosexual [****]sucking ass licking enjoy the asss and the [****] pussy asss 60 yrold with no lives to fat to move either very ugly or very fat demented faces that love to get their asses both kicked and spanked!!!!!!!!!!! [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u [****] u!!!! kk iam out peace to all the lin players and viewers peace to all the peeps working at LC great job u keep lineage alive thnc nc for [****]ing are lives and [****]ing the greatest game in the world omg iam even thinking of goign back to d2 at least its fun compared to this anything is better than the lineage(with NC running) the game is the greatest but the support and gm sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! iam out u dead nc!!!!!!!!

June 17, 2002 11:22 pm ET (#47)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

Damn, EX-CON, if I had to write a profanity filter, that post you just made would crash it.

(But I filtered it anyway).

Now calm down. Also, just to clarify a few things - this is the same update Korea got.

June 17, 2002 11:24 pm ET (#48)
dshank
Loyal Fan

34 posts
04-01-02

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hmmm, 'balance'?

no one likes a game where the rules change out from under you.

of course people all cheer for the things that make it easier, or their character more powerful... but let me tell you why people (my self certainly included!) get really angry at these changes like Reduced Effectiveness of AC and a nerfed SOM etc...
---> We work really hard to level up, earn money, and buy AC. This is a HUGE investment in time! HUGE! and then to have it reduced in effectiveness. *THAT* is what sux. <---

Perhaps the Car companies should decide that your car isn't properly balancing the fuel economy and after you worked to earn enough money to buy the car they later change the Gas Mileage of it, and Reduce the Effectiveness of the Air Bags! .... Oh yeah, unless of course if you're a Knight LOL!!!

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June 17, 2002 11:24 pm ET (#49)
Protocol
Loyal Fan

271 posts
03-26-02

LOL ex-con LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL that is the hypest ish i have heard all day!!!!!!!! LOL
awwww amer why u have to filter =( it was soo funny it hsould b on the humur section!!!!! LOLOLOL u rock ex-con!!!!!! you too amer for spending ur time filtering that stuff ahahahahahahahhaha oh man..... EX!!! keep profitising to thta is crashes amers filter like he/she said ^^ hehe that would b cool.... maybe not for amer tho =( is amer a guy or girl???? me and freand are wondering T______T hehehe

June 17, 2002 11:32 pm ET (#50)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

Pro.... you outlined exactly why ac bonus is worthless. Knights will suffer the least out of it because of the variety of high ac base items and the fact that they have higher hp than other classes at the same level.
With changes like that to low hp classes like mage or elf, a hit from a strong monster will prove to be fatal.

June 17, 2002 11:39 pm ET (#51)
Protocol
Loyal Fan

271 posts
03-26-02

i know i know -.- but i REALLY dont care about the extra hp taken off... and i dont think other classes will either....... IF we still have our normal pumping system..... what would u rather have? a few hp taken off from a hit? or mops gettin in a few extra hits on you cuz u cant pump pots fast enough?i choose losing a few hp then mop swingin at me another 2 times or so -.- while my pot still probably hasn't pumped yet.......... OH YEA has anything considered how are we goin to kill dragons now too?
delayed pumping= everyone dies by the time u hit the hotkey for clears for the 2nd time -.-
god there goez getting a btsu =( anyone care to pitch in for me? =)

June 17, 2002 11:42 pm ET (#52)
Opethal
Loyal Fan

58 posts
10-22-01

No greater haste spell added?

June 17, 2002 11:47 pm ET (#53)
Protocol
Loyal Fan

271 posts
03-26-02

hey flyz gimmie ur contact.... mail to me on dep PROT is the name ^^

June 17, 2002 11:54 pm ET (#54)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

It's not a few extra hp.... It's almost double their normal.
I tried on test, 1x damage from a ww and only bout half of that on normal server with the same ac. I can't see how much higher level monsters will do to those classes with already low hp. Guess knights will be everywhere...... wait they already are.

June 17, 2002 11:57 pm ET (#55)
TLFmaster
Loyal Fan

223 posts
12-02-01

Looks like everyone hates this update, including Amer because didn't delete EX-CON message. Potion delay really sucks. Potion delay + lag that also causes delay....

June 18, 2002 12:09 am ET (#56)
EX-CON
Loyal Fan

597 posts
03-19-02

ahh k iam calm down kk i was going mad walking up down thinking of nc then i decided why not go to the greatest site LC and post there and i did while typing all that my sister was besides me she 11 or 12 and my mom was slapping my head for typing bad words lol me 16 yrs olf and yes i can kick their [asses]
amer sorry for what i did but both me and u know iam telling truth.thnx for not banning me but instead u did the right thing by filtering no worries i got my message out most peeps like protocol heard it and my friends did and laughed cause its funny and dont worry tommorow i today and tommorow i will go on mainchat and say the truth also i email so sould u all!rember when deciding day comes vote nc boo and same as with exp update it will be gone or so we hope no swearing this pot excpet NC SUCKS again and again till next time same site same article!
iam

June 18, 2002 12:13 am ET (#57)
Elbryan
Loyal Fan

180 posts
01-21-02

Amer - it's not the exact same update korea got-They never got a potion pumping delay 'down'date like us.

95% of the players in korea are knights. NCSeoul is unrealistic in pushing an update to the US that so obviously favors 1 class, when over here you have to balance ALL classes for a good game, since people are more diverse on the US servers. This is one basic principle that NC is ignoring. Some people made a joke about racism in the game - how the blonde elves, half-blonde mages and half-redhead princes stand for non-koreans, while the all blackhaired knights are the koreans in the game - gee, I laughed at it then, but now I'm not so sure. Favoritism is ram[ant in the game.

As for Garriot - It looks like after years of playing bugladen UO games and 2 MMORPG fiascos my confidence is completely gone. I won't pay good money for a game with his name as an endorsement ever again - in fact, I'll run like hell.

And putting this live a mere 5 days after wiping test and putting these updates in just shows that the test server is a big sham.

Just a few thoughts people. Had to close my eyes and breath deeply several times to get over the disappointment.

June 18, 2002 12:19 am ET (#58)
puntangpi
Loyal Fan

9 posts
06-05-02

LOL EX-CON IT'S ME! that was the funniest shit i've ever read!!!! man ur [****] up man!!! jokes anyways exams tomorrow i'll meet u at ur house then we smoke (the gaunja) and go!!!

June 18, 2002 12:20 am ET (#59)
Elbryan
Loyal Fan

180 posts
01-21-02

Ex-Con you should protest on the official message boards - http://boards.lineage.com

June 18, 2002 12:20 am ET (#60)
EX-CON
Loyal Fan

597 posts
03-19-02

heh i went mad up and down the stairs to get over it then right a message that sounds like eminem song incluign some lyrics!!but iam ok now long live Lineage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 18, 2002 12:38 am ET (#61)
Muppet
Loyal Fan

39 posts
11-12-01

We should thank to those players who play 24/7 and get to lv 52.. NC see that many players leveling up so easily cause lvling up from lv50 to 51 should take more than lv49to50.. But these 24/7 players make it in 10days.. So NC trying to reduce some crap so this wont happen so often..
Btw i dont see anything changed with the pot delay.. Maybe its my ping cause it was like that since i started Lineage o.O

June 18, 2002 12:44 am ET (#62)
Zandorf
Loyal Fan

9 posts
02-27-02

this sucks i didnt hunt with summon while i had to use undead the first time around now i worked hard to lvl and im stuck with skels again? why add dex/ac update if they just gonna make ac less effective? I think i'll quit and go play daoc at the end of the month. bah nc bah

June 18, 2002 12:57 am ET (#63)
SmokeTree
Loyal Fan

10 posts
06-14-02

NC I only have one question. How many of your game designers (and people making big decisions that directly affect Lineage) are hardcore players? Judging by your latest update I think the answer is obvious. You are making this game more nerf than a 5 year olds toybox. Listen to the players, they pay your checks. Don't forget that...

June 18, 2002 01:07 am ET (#64)
karrot
Loyal Fan

47 posts
04-24-02

Why can't we be friends (4x)
I seen ya I seen ya I seen ya 'round for a long long time
I really I really I really remember when you drank my wine

Why can't we be friends (4x)

I seen ya I seen ya I seen ya walkin' down in Chinatown
I called ya I called ya I called but you did not look around
I pay my I pay my I pay my money to the welfare line
I seen ya I seen ya I seen ya standing in it everytime

Why can't we be friends (4x)

The color the color the color of your skin don't matter to me
As long as as long as long as we can live in harmony
I kinda I kinda I kinda like to be the president
And I could and I could and I could show you how your money's spent

Why can't we be friends (4x)

Sometimes I don't speak right
But did I know what I was talking about
I know you're working for the CIA
They wouldn't have you in the mafia

Why can't we be friends (4x)

June 18, 2002 01:07 am ET (#65)
Aeon
LC Reporter

56 posts
04-25-02

Blah... we all need to complain... that means flooding global and NC with COMPLAINTS about HOW MUCH THIS SH*T SUCKS! Anyway, I have come so close to quitting this game... not even friends can keep me in now after these retarded changes. I am letting my account run out and quitting. SCREW YOU NC Texas... you idiots need to take some courses in CUSTOMER SATISFACTION! Never in my life have I seen a company screw their paying customers this much. Boo NC! BOO!!! YOU SUCK!!!

June 18, 2002 01:10 am ET (#66)
amer
LC Admin

864 posts
07-11-01

TLF: No that's not true. I didn't delete EX-CON's message for no reason. Call it a good mood. I don't hate this update that much. There are a few nerfs I agree with, but this pot pumping thing really irks me. I'm not sure I can see the logic -- Harder bosses, but potions are not as useful? Maybe these mage/elf spells are really good and can make up for it?

My only hope is that their theory about how mage and elf should be played work out. I think the Lineage interface makes it very hard for mages to play, while very easy for knights, and I think if it was a bit easier for us to cast spells, we may not be so upset. For example, a knight hits one key, we have to use a mouse and click through the insane pile of mops in order to find ourselves -- but don't click too many times, or else you'll pass you and have to go through the list again. AND there's a delay that's 10 times longer than pot pumping. How many people would switch their tune to "Mage is the uberclass" if I could pump g-heal, even if it was slow?

Hmm. Maybe I should say this on the forums.

June 18, 2002 01:17 am ET (#67)
Dogzilla
Loyal Fan

26 posts
04-07-02

Well, I think it's clear this update is - to put it mildly - unpopular. Now what I'd like to see is Melantus post some REAL explanations as to why NCSoft is doing this. Mind you - real answers and not "We cannot discuss it at this time" or some other psychobabble with zero informational content.

NC has to realize that there are some serious issues here. Now's the time to addres the valid questions that current players have. The alternative appears to be a significant number of players leaving the game. And noone - not NCSoft or Lineage players - wants a group of dissatisifed ex-Lineage players posting "Lineage? Yeah, I played it for a while but the game stinks now...totally unplayable" on web bulletin boards and IRC channels all over the Internet.

And I can tell you that I've personally lost a lot of the interest I might have had for Lineage 2 after seeing the last several updates. It just seems like it would be the same as the issues we're having now (eg - "Update - All non-knight classes now have a 75% chance of falling off flying mounts, and any attacks to non-knight classes while in the air do +25% damage. And pots only regen you at 50% while in the air."), except we'll have higher system requirements, slower framerates, and monster lag. Meh.

June 18, 2002 01:23 am ET (#68)
Shanea
Loyal Fan

9 posts
10-22-01

HA HA HA HA Nc is really trying to kill Lineage in the US market. I'm damn glad I quit last month and they didn't get another cent from me! BTW Neverwinter Nights comes out the 18th or the 19th, Ill spend my money on that and actually ENJOY playing again. Lineage was MUCH better in the beta days than it is now and NC is just making it worse.

June 18, 2002 01:26 am ET (#69)
gigi
Loyal Fan

641 posts
05-01-02

go amer go!

oh yea...if u REALLY see lineage 2...it's pretty much like lineage 1 except in 3-D, different story line, more RAM's and CPU power to use....that's all
oh..dont forget the frequent d/c and lag outs as well as common lag when u r in a siege in lineage 2 too...

even tho d2 sux...i rather play there then lin if this patch comes here...
i swear...i'll buy the original d2 discs and play there...
or play counterstrike and get shot down lol...

anyhow...lineage staff can kiss their customers goodbye if they keep on sneaking up on their PAYING customers of patches that ENTIRELY ruin the basics of the game...

oh yea...NC LIKES KNIGHTS...which is why there's 99% knights in 38 live servers over there in korea

June 18, 2002 01:27 am ET (#70)
EX-CON
Loyal Fan

597 posts
03-19-02

i just dont get why they make the game hard they take it as reallife or something like lineage is a kindom and they rule it why they do this why cant they just keep the game the way it is ive swear at them, make fun, threaten and they just make it worse dam u NC just give us what we want i thought u dont like doing updates iam wrong u just dont like doing update in our favor now hurry up change it u u goona lose customers tons of em either that or ull wake up feeling like u u went though hell itself.i just make a rl party to kick their asses reallly!!!!read my other post people find them hilarious while these ones iam serious about all of it the first one i was bad this one iam thinking!!!!

June 18, 2002 01:41 am ET (#71)
Vegeto
Loyal Fan

19 posts
05-26-02

floodem flooodem!!!go!!!! FLOOD THERE ASSES OFF!!

June 18, 2002 02:09 am ET (#72)
Jaive
Loyal Fan

37 posts
02-11-02

pot delay = Jaive die more often = unhappy customer = quit Lineage = Jaive join DAoC world...

June 18, 2002 02:17 am ET (#73)
Jaive
Loyal Fan

37 posts
02-11-02

and another thing: i'm a knight and i am siding with the elf/mage/prince[ss] classes; it is not fair to them at all that the knights are obviously NC's favorite children... make the game a little more balanced, because 98% of the players in the US are not knights... WE AREN'T IN KOREA!

June 18, 2002 02:45 am ET (#74)
K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan

925 posts
05-04-02

I understand if they want to make the game harder
but they did that when ppl r 45+, harder to lvl

making the other classes take more damage then the knight
what was the point of the dex/AC bonus?

knowing that knights r super strong compared to the other classes
what really changes everything is the pot pumping

alrite, let the mops and ppl hit us harder now we won't be able to even kill bosses or group of mops because we'll get our asses raped

wonder what the fuck they were thinking about
they should have spent more time testing on test server as that is the whole point of test server

and it will be true for what everyone is saying, everyone is gonna end up quitting and the ppl quitting will bad mouth about the game making it hated by everyone

they could fuck up the game all they want as they already are doing but take away the pot pumping for us to even survive, NC Austin will be bankrupt in the end

June 18, 2002 03:23 am ET (#75)
PeNTeL
Loyal Fan

299 posts
12-11-01

yayyyyyyyy i hope everyone quits and nc dies ^^;

June 18, 2002 03:33 am ET (#76)
Asland
Loyal Fan

114 posts
04-23-02

After playing this game for a couple months I started to like this game but these updates really try my patience with this game.

June 18, 2002 03:43 am ET (#77)
OFG
Loyal Fan

1 posts
05-01-02

I like the new update. Then again, I'm a glutton for punishment.

June 18, 2002 04:17 am ET (#79)
UltimatePyro
Loyal Fan

4 posts
06-15-02

the delay makes reds better than clears since u can pump reds faster than clears

June 18, 2002 04:18 am ET (#80)
UltimatePyro
Loyal Fan

4 posts
06-15-02

and my mage has just become useless
can't hit anything with mana staff
can't drain anything from mana staff
and mana pot probably same as wis pot but no sp

June 18, 2002 04:29 am ET (#82)
UltimatePyro
Loyal Fan

4 posts
06-15-02

everyone send a complaint to nci

June 18, 2002 04:31 am ET (#83)
Jasuda
Loyal Fan

26 posts
03-13-02

Well this is so far down that I doubt it willget read but I wonder as another did earlier about what they put in US test server. Everyone realizes that they aren't really testing anything right? The real testing goes on Korean test server. If there are no complaints there then we will probably get it after they do. NC makes a token of putting it on US test first, but how many actually got to test it when test was just wiped? any level 45 mages from test that can tellme what summoned skel guards can do? I doubt it.

Face it NC is gonna change the game the way they want to. I am gonna suck it up and see how it works. I am glad I made a dex elf who is level 38 at least I have options now. Hmmm maybe it is time for a Knight....

Glad I made some good cash tonight may not be happening anymore :(

June 18, 2002 04:34 am ET (#84)
QuickShadow_
Loyal Fan

173 posts
02-05-02

WRITE TO NCI PEOPLE PLEASE, COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN, IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS OUT OF LIVE SERVERS!!!!

Sorry for screaming, but we NEED to EMAIL NC (not just whine and insult on boards like this or global chat) with ARGUMENTS after we try the update and see what it really is about.

Its on our hands in the end - lets be mature, rational but also pasionate about his, and CHANGE THIS UPDATE!!


Pd... so this means that the character I designed wasted 4 points on charisma 10? Can I get those points back? No? Why??? Why you changed the rules like that?

June 18, 2002 04:43 am ET (#85)
Ramza
Loyal Fan

722 posts
01-11-02

this total bull the pot speed reduced is going to suck when u got muiltiple mops on you damnit how the hell are we supposed t olvl if we ahve to venz each time we run into mroe then 4 hard mops?!?!? and what about seiges omg!

June 18, 2002 05:00 am ET (#86)
GodSlayer
Loyal Fan

18 posts
02-22-02

damn this sucks =/ no one likes nerfs >_< prince is the last class that should receive them to IMO

June 18, 2002 05:13 am ET (#87)
Smokie
Loyal Fan

139 posts
02-26-02

Amer: yes korea did get this update.. why are there level 60+ chars on korean servers (Example. Peosideon) drop rate much better.. and they DO GET EVENTS. GOOD AND FUN ONES..

you know as well as i do, nc austin has never tried to make an effort to make people like this game, they are 24/7 worried about *balancing* what is balanced to them.. the game

why do korean servers always get stuff first.. even in test update.. why?
why does nc austin do anything ORIGIONAL ! and stop copy/pasting codes given from nc korea.

i am sure nc korea players made a lot of fuss about it too.. but come on.. this is rediculas..

atleast please just *try* to do something by your self? why are there no more gms in game? what happened? why do players have to name BUGS in the game..

NC is lazy, NC AUSTIN is just plain simple pethotic and never make attempt to do anything by them selfs and think about the costumers, whats good in there eyes is need to be done !

June 18, 2002 05:17 am ET (#88)
Neo
Loyal Fan

219 posts
12-05-01

will be hard to play my friends.

a new knights game is coming , Lineage: the blood pledge.

Neo

June 18, 2002 05:43 am ET (#89)
SpaceBar
Loyal Fan

54 posts
04-23-02

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus chriiiiiiiiiiiiisssssstttttttttt

i better be able to heal my skel guards.

June 18, 2002 05:47 am ET (#90)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

like i told when the update came to test.........

MAKE THE GAME CALLED KNIGHTAGE WHOOHOO
WOW WHAT DID I SEE THERE A MAGE? MUST BE ME IMAGINATION, CUZ THERE ARE ONLY KNIGHTS!!!

Yay we got mana potions, oh wait let's give them undead summon's so they can't heal them!!!

ok i'll try to level to 48 then, oh no i can't cuz i take much more damage and can't even take 20mp to heal my injured ass

and why the ..... did we got 15% mr base? ever seen a knight try and para a mage? LOL, oh no i forgot, they don't need it, cuz when they don't para (knights with spell scrolls :P) witch would take lets say 5 seconds, they could take the mage out with there sword in 3, i like to see sieges (wich i can't cuz of the stupid timing, yes i live in europe, allot live in non- america places, bye sieges but i can live with that) i guess it takes 20mages to kill a single knight, or wait i say it other way, a single knight will take out 20 mages, thats maybe a lil to much, but thats the way it is going to be

June 18, 2002 05:57 am ET (#91)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

oh yeah and don't say :"mages stop winning u got mana potions" yeah great how are we suposed to get them? we problay can't hunt for them cuz we get rapped, ok nevermind knight will get them, oh oh a mana potion costs 5k each ah well i am a mage right? i make money like water, oh no i forgot i got only 2 summond monsters left, and i get rapped by every monster on the screen, knights kick all monsters asses, that means i don't even get braves to trade for mana potions, yay lets all get a knight, probaly the gona change the name of lineage2: the chaotic chronicels or whatever they name it now, in lineage2:the only class that survived oh no it's earlier then lineage right? so they can make it knight only without even thinking of anything to let the other classes out

btw i am only winning about mages cuz i play mage only now (i have other chars) CUZ I WANTED TO LEVEL IT TO 48 FAST SO I DIDN'T GET THOSE CRAPPY UNDEAD, UNDERFED (not getting enough to eat, dunno if i spelled it right) PILES OF BONES, i know, rename the mages into : healing/enchant machines for knight, and after episode XI comes in scroll_suply'ing_so_we_can_beef_up_knight_ac_even_more_machine

yeah and elfes get to be high level training dummy's great idea eh?

princess are "something" u need to get a castle, nc probaly gona make knights able to declare war/siege alone

June 18, 2002 05:58 am ET (#92)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

there might be something actualy good, the int thing, yeah now i can heal more knights with the same mp, great eh?

June 18, 2002 06:00 am ET (#93)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

i don't hate knights, i just hate nc for letting it be there favorite, i'll alway try and help/heal knights they can't help it nc loves knights only

June 18, 2002 06:03 am ET (#94)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

Smokie they did something original, make the tsurungi 1 handed, and they only bugs left in the game are named: Mage, Elf , prince but like u can read in one of my post they can "fix" that

June 18, 2002 06:18 am ET (#95)
Ramza
Loyal Fan

722 posts
01-11-02

omg Ex con wow! lol so funny. I am going to flood chat tommrow untill they get rid of pot delay monitor get ready to turn off global cause lots of peeps gonna compalin be prepared to Chat ban me for spamming! Down with the Pot Delay Down with it all muhahahaha!!!

June 18, 2002 06:35 am ET (#96)
2x2
Loyal Fan

104 posts
04-19-02

lol ramza they better type /ban all cuz everyone is going to complain

June 18, 2002 07:11 am ET (#97)
oblivion1981
Loyal Fan

22 posts
05-16-02

Ah great time to start makin a knight thats the only thing nc give a *** about

June 18, 2002 07:21 am ET (#98)
sakura
Loyal Fan

1 posts
06-18-02

How about Amulet of Chalisma,or lesser amuler of Chalisma?

Can you summon one more monster when equipping their items??

cha8 and Amu, then 3monsters?

June 18, 2002 07:24 am ET (#99)
K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan

925 posts
05-04-02

Lineage: Land of Knights

good thing I got a knight at least.....

June 18, 2002 07:44 am ET (#100)
OLDMAN
Loyal Fan

100 posts
04-04-02

Darn, I thought the EXP Nerf has been the most stupidest idea ever from NCAustin. Guess I was wrong. DO YOU GUYS THERE HAVE BRAINS OR NOT? Sorry..im just so pissed. They favor knight, come'n: "AC changes to Elves, Mages, and Princes/Princesses are such that these classes will take slightly more damage then before. Less damage will be relieved by their AC. Knights are unaffected."

We all have fake ac from dex update and now we will take more damage. I'm out of here.

Amer, was that potion delay also published in Korean servers?

June 18, 2002 08:10 am ET (#101)
Kuroko
Loyal Fan

109 posts
03-31-02

Before I quit because of this update.. I am going to SKT.. and I am going to PK as many NEWBIE knights as I can.. why?

because NC loves them so much.. I love being a bad looser..
Knights on dep.. fear my wrath...

June 18, 2002 08:30 am ET (#102)
ChAoSMaGi
Loyal Fan

1 posts
06-18-02

Nice update.
Now see what i can do with it.
When i was a noobie mage i saw other mages with bbs and was told that was summon, wow i thought. Other mages told me to get summon at lvl 40 and i didn't know why... Fine. So i got summon at lvl 36. Then i realised something was wrong coz when i heal my spartois they hit each other. Great.
Well having more types of summon is fine but now, what shall i reccommend new mages about summon? Kill yourself, put everything on charm and int and buy summon ONLY at lvl 48? One might realise that lvl 44-48 must be worse than being lvl 5-40? Whats more having changed the lower summons to healable mops
whats with that level 44 summon? Worse then bbs. Now being a minimum charisima
mage I might as well kill myself then summon 2 lousy unhealable skeleton guards
Yes, people might think i am pretty unappreciative about NCI working so hard for these updates but, I really don't think anyone of them plays a mage. And as for SOM are they afraid of their knights' mp getting sucked too much or getting hit too much by the SOM?
X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X
Which comes first?
Stats of boss-type monsters and dragons are being increased.
or
Giant Ant Queen damage is reduced.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
And about the delay in quaffing oranges.
Well done.
I might as well stock 200 reds in my guards and hold another 50 of them since my guards would die like 5 minutes after being whacked by an ogre or something.
-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
As of referring to #98's fake AC
I can only agree. Why should mages,princes and elves ac be different from
knights if a knight and mage have the same ac why should mages get hit for more damage?

Well i heard the new areas are nice.
I'll probably go to these areas when i've been properly deleveled to lvl 6 from LAG DEATH and inability to pump oranges fast enough or getting hit too much than expected.

As for mana pots. Yeah i bet to make mages use up more money to make them poorer so they can't afford better spells. And so can balance the loss of mana from SOM. Anyway not as if mages are gonna be able to use eruption to kill ogres and such coz mp can't be replenished like health.

Anyway you guys might as well forget about fafurion coz its gonna be hard to whack it w/o fast pumping of pots.

As for kurtz and that candle thing. <---- CRAP (first vulgarity)


Anyway thats my 2 cents

PS: I created this account just for this and I'm gonna use 1 hour after update and hunt and if it gets worse then now well i'm gonna blow everything i own and QUIT.

ChAoSMaGi

Hey post #100!
And my comment is longer than all of yours!

June 18, 2002 09:10 am ET (#103)
Nitrogun
Loyal Fan

229 posts
03-17-02

Lets all go straight to faf for 2 weeks and delevel 15 lvls again and let NC take faf out again!!! AND RUIN THE FEKKIN ECONOMY! like the ruin our game with there stupid pot delay...

June 18, 2002 10:11 am ET (#104)
CrazyManiac
Loyal Fan

37 posts
06-23-02

WAT IS THIS?! I created a login acc just for this! FIRST POST! But i couldn't help saying, WAT IS WRONG WITH NC???!!! MAges and princes can already get SLAUGHTERED by knights AND the new summon table....you can't even heal skele guards! and now they want to give us ONE SUMMON PER 6 CHRISMA!? WAT IS THIS? and heres a list if ur a mage:
-reduced AC
-weaker SOM (dmg and mana stolen)
-6 chr per summon
-delayed pot
-the worst bonus
-bosses are stronger and posbily making it IMPOSSIBLE for a a mage to 1:1 drake!

and one last note....with this publish, all those new stuff from episode 11 will just make mages back to how they SHOULD be.....

June 18, 2002 10:29 am ET (#105)
Zyre
Loyal Fan

110 posts
12-14-01

Hey NCI, heres an idea....why don't you just activate the exp update again...since you made this game SOOOOOOO great...why don't go and make it even more fun....Im so fucking happy now when my mage sucks and i have to delete 2 months of hard work with that char...well thats life isnt it?

P.S I was sarcastic about lineage beeing great now, if anyone of you didnt understand this...or if NCI read this and think i really like the update.....cuz...guess what...I HATE IT!

I'll probably quit now if you don't remove this bullshit....summon charisma/6,SOM beeing suckiest weapon after dagger and potion delay...

June 18, 2002 11:25 am ET (#106)
Pepper
Loyal Fan

135 posts
02-11-02

Lets face it...SOM was not implemented into the game till like early last year (I'm not sure about this cus I wasn't playing). And the hotels were hot spots for mages in beta because the only way to regenerate mana is by sitting down and wait. And...Admit it that mages are having an easy time hunting because they don't have to use alot of potions, unless you go for stronger mops in dvc or FV. And don't flame me because I've played mage.
What bothers me the most is why with every update, knights are always superior than ALL other classes
-increase dmg and increase hit rate (for god's sake, don't they hit hard enough? With their tsu/rap/kat)
-ONLY class that's unaffected from the AC thing..I mean, I don't mind if ALL classes get extra damage...But it's pure favouritism that Knights don't have to suffer from it. Give me a reasonable response to shut me up with this or I'll never. (I'll just copy and paste this on the official board) - -

June 18, 2002 11:37 am ET (#107)
Rhodan
Loyal Fan

7 posts
06-11-02

Ok NC, I think by now you should be begining to realize..that..um..this update SUCKS, ITS A CROCK, Im proude of where my mage is lvl 45, i worked hard on it cuz my stats SUCK and now your gonna make it even worse!!!!!! Bad enuf i get PK'd by some punk teeny boppers but now theyll undead my gaurds, and take my stuff and then pk my cuz heal pots suck dog breath, ohhhh manna pots that we been wanting *^^* yea but...ahhh this sucks hard shaft man come on!!

June 18, 2002 12:19 pm ET (#108)
tastaydargon
Loyal Fan

10 posts
06-18-02

since the mages, prince and elves get reduced AC effect, how about letting knights have reduced Mr% effect!

June 18, 2002 12:51 pm ET (#109)
Elbryan
Loyal Fan

180 posts
01-21-02

Lineage:The Knightmare.

June 18, 2002 01:57 pm ET (#110)
Myshella
Loyal Fan

77 posts
03-04-02

simply sux

June 18, 2002 01:57 pm ET (#111)
dharlequin
Loyal Fan

10 posts
06-06-02

Well we can lodge formal protest to NCSoft (alot of good that'll do) in regards to the pot delay. But until then I plan on dealing with it. It just reminds me of the old days playing AD&D. You couldn't instantly drink a Potion of Healing in the middle of battle. We had a Cleric to do the Healing during a scuffle. Maybe players should do Party or Pledge Hunts more often. Support each other more. It could be more bareable then. Just am idea. I plan on starting a new Knight and dumping the old one so I can play in the new Newbie area. Hmmm or maybe a Prince...

June 18, 2002 02:04 pm ET (#112)
OLDMAN
Loyal Fan

100 posts
04-04-02

LOL, there was billion bb mages with their bugbears at Giran Cross before server going down. Was funny :)

June 18, 2002 03:05 pm ET (#113)
ZPsyMageZ
Loyal Fan

110 posts
12-01-01

im 8 cha and i get 3-4 skels guards.. they work nice.. im 18 int, but the mp spell coast didnt change... and +2char bonus for elf r off too >:<
damn i want 3 dogs!!! lol

June 18, 2002 04:47 pm ET (#115)
exminator
Loyal Fan

1 posts
04-30-02

Do We Have A Choice.........would complains work? This game is getting worse and worse. From orc town totems update to the update now. Wats the meaning of this?This is nonsense. Pure Rubbish. I pay to play for this game because when i first started it, it looks fun to me. Now either Knight need some changes to became weaker or princ increase to become stronger. Mages ways of making money is using 4 summon monster. Not like knight we cannot use stuff like tsu or etc to earn money.Now, this is remove. It is gonna be the death for mages. Any way to all the poster here I beleive Gm would dun give a damn about this comments
We are writing dump shit!! Double pump pots sux. It does not considerate about those ppl who are lagging. Seige would be dull. Ppl would just tele instead of pumping. If this is Gm wans so be it.

P.S. This update SUX TO THE CORE FOR MAGES.

June 18, 2002 05:04 pm ET (#116)
Smokie
Loyal Fan

139 posts
02-26-02

2x2:

Did you know trusugi was 1 handed on korean server.. that is why peosiden weilded +8 trusugi long ago with his shield.. they copied that from korean server as well..

they want the game to get worst.. not damn easy !

June 18, 2002 07:00 pm ET (#118)
DontSuckOut
Loyal Fan

67 posts
02-15-02

I know nc has done ALOT of stupid things but this is going too far. Potion delay will ruin this game and i think alot will end up quiting. That means harder to hunt and if you get rushed like we sometimes do in fv or dv your dead cause you cant pump reds fast enough. This is a horrible update by nc. At least fafurion is back even though nc lied to us. They said they were taking him away because he had spawn rate problems but if that was true than why did they make him stronger? Back to this potion thing, sieges are gonna suck now. I know there are alot of ppl who are like me and if it werent for sieges i wouldnt be playing lineage right now. Everybody is gonna end alot faster and we still lose 13% when we die so that means alot of deleveling and dieing. I guess nc doesnt want us to lvl up and they want us all to quit. You guys should really listen to the players that play your game because if not for us you would be making $0 right now. Spend more time making us happy, not making us more mad so we quit. You guys dont know the first thing about runninga business. The customer is always right. Its a bad idea man. Get rid of this potion delay. I hope you guys read this.

June 18, 2002 07:06 pm ET (#119)
FlyZ
Loyal Fan

791 posts
11-11-01

Mmmmmm finally people are flaming just like me :)
1. Prince hasn't received an update in a long time, the only update they get is to get nerfed.
2. They don't use the 'test' server to actually test something. And to the post way up there saying they tested this in korea. Well, they didn't. They didn't get no pot delay, no ac changes. It's all of NCAustin's bullshit trying to 'balance' the game by making it all knights. Remember 1 class and lower player base makes their jobs easier.
3. Mel, why don't you post something? Is it cuz you don't know what to say since you never have a legitiment answer? I know you're reading this.
4. Don't talk about the mages getting new spells. The good ones are the high level ones and how often do they appear? Who will get them? The knights again right? That makes mages all that playable.
5. They're making everyone at least have 1 knight. I don't have any knights in my account and I play fine. I don't want them to determine how i play a game, i play however i want to play it.
6. Last point.............. FUCK YOU NCAustin

My little flame of the hour :)

June 18, 2002 08:11 pm ET (#120)
BitemyBallz
Loyal Fan

4 posts
04-30-02

lalalallalalalala.... whooops.... i just deleted my mage.... o well, who really cares about my mage now? i mean, it sux ass

i gess all those hours i wasted are wasted. BYE BYE LINEAGE. BTW, i cussed out NC in my survey they ask if u dquit.


BYE ALL. Da Unstoppables rule!

June 18, 2002 08:20 pm ET (#121)
StoneHedge
Loyal Fan

2 posts
06-18-02

Consider this, from a Prince.

This game is called Lineage - the Blood Pledge. The entire concept is to join a Pledge. Princes hold the keys to these pledges. No Princes, no Pledges. Simple.

Now, how many players are going to leave this game when their Prince cancels his account because playing his weak/magicless/poorly armored/poorly weaponed character was just too much dung to wade through?

Knights will be very strong now, we all get the picture. Mages have a tough row with this new update. But face it, they've had it good. Being able to summon BugBears has been very beneficial to them. Elves broke even with this update, and it looks like they're getting some new magic on the horizon.

But what do princes get? Get to die if they attempt to hunt alone, without the incessant barking of dogs in their ears? Get to level slower than any other class? Get an AC reduction on their already poor armor? Get to be the target for every PK knight?

Oh, that's right, they already have it good - they get to assemble a Pledge, and slave to keep it together. Big Fizz! That was interesting the first week I played. Where's the fun in playing a Prince now?

It's nowhere. It's not fun. So, don't be surprised NC, when the people who make up the Lineage no longer show up. Then you can have castles, with hordes of strong knights who can't siege them 'cause they're not in a Pledge.

June 18, 2002 08:33 pm ET (#122)
TLFmaster
Loyal Fan

223 posts
12-02-01

Here's something that makes spell casting a little easier.....
Let's say you want to use e-bolt and you have that hotkeyed. Go to the bottom right corner and make sure you have the yellow box around that. Then all you have to do is click the monster with your scroll button and you e-bolt it.
*This if for people who didn't know that function already!*

I think what they're trying to do is make Lineage more lifelike. They are doing this under the logic that in real life, you can't expect instant healing.

Mistake from before... instead of using the word "update" I should have said "hates the part about potion delay"

June 19, 2002 04:54 am ET (#123)
forgottenelf
Loyal Fan

35 posts
06-04-02

DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT NC i cant hunt with lvl 46 str/con mage and when i m fully enchated i have 26 str and i canteven hunt in ant cave WTF is that???
i m plannin to quite real soon and that means no money for u!!! this has been a waste of my time!!
i hope u all burn in hell

June 19, 2002 01:42 pm ET (#124)
Warizon
Loyal Fan

22 posts
05-09-02

Truly unbelievable.

Okay, so we shouldn't get everything we want. The game shouldn't be totally easy. But it also shouldn't change in it's most basic aspects - like pumping potions. This is something that becomes instinctual and I'm sure is harder for someone who is lvl 50 to change that basic behavior/skill/habit than it is for me at a measly lvl 27. This is a lot different than simply making a MOP easier/harder to kill. Different even than messing with your armor class. The basic underlying rules of the game should not change. Messing with that kind of thing shows very poor judgement.

Satisfying a customer means setting expectations and living up to them.

Consider the fact that in playing any game the rules must be agreed upon beforehand. When the rules change midstream one starts to wonder why and generally bad things result.

With Lineage II on it's way one has to wonder why NC would not be a little more careful about the quality of any changes they make, as well as their display (or lack thereof) of any ability to respond to customer feedback.

How about a little give and take, NC? (Although, for the most part, you can *take* all these recent changes. Where you put them is your business, NC.)

June 19, 2002 02:01 pm ET (#125)
Tank
Loyal Fan

14 posts
12-02-01

god.....
the game keeps getting better and better...
I love it... they spent who knows how much to advertise this game in the U.S, by putting cd's of the game in magazines and what not... and they prove themselves as well....
what happened to orc town? its a dead town now cause NC decided to make the game better! Same goes with heine, thats another useless town. Oh and i love the fact that the updates are always great (to standards of NC). God what a joke... this game is getting worse and worse by every update, i dont expect much from NC anymore... they have already proven to me how much they really do care about us and how much they plan on making our experience playing even more enjoyable (hope you notice the sarcasm). They charge us $15.00 to play a game that isnt all that great... it gets boring fast... drops suck.... all the updates have sucked... no events.... and now this.... HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA...
Im not going to stop friends from quitting anymore... why put them through the hell that is Lineage?
thank you NC for making me hate this game, your doing a really good job of keeping us around!!

June 19, 2002 09:56 pm ET (#126)
Jasuda
Loyal Fan

26 posts
03-13-02

OK I have played the update now. Yes I get hit harder overall....
But I like the fact I can use [more] dogs [tahn before]or skel guards. My choice.

I like skel guards. I can heal and haste them. They are MORE effective than BBs, they kill in 3/5ths the time. I admit I am doing better with 12 cha than most will be. But Most have a LOT more HP than me so it is a fair trade in my book.

As for my elf. It is hilarious... I can have 3 dogs and tame another while out for 4 total. Yeah I know I don't get the good exp, so I will use em when I want money not exp. I was one shot'in everything and wiping up an area just like my old BB mage. Oh yeah, my bow kicks (ahem) now. I can kill a mop in 2/3 the time it took before the update.

If ya ask me the biggest nerf here is to knights who rely on pumping pots a LOT more than I do... Elf has range gets hit less Mage has heal... I can pump heal hehe and I can heal over 100 hp at a time.. oh yeah it is cheaper than pots.....

As to kight damage. oh what a time to be a strength knight. My buddy is killing in 1/2 the time it took him before with the damage bonus

June 20, 2002 12:54 am ET (#127)
Murond
Loyal Fan

78 posts
02-06-02

This REALLY sucks...I have 2 knights and an elf...i used to have a mage...but i deleted it cuz it started to get crappy and i realized that knight was the only class that will get anywhere. knights have the highest hp, hit the hardest, have the best armor, best weapons, have no defense nerf, are the fastest, and have the highest ER.
Until this update, my elf was my favorite character. I don't know why she was. a knight is so much better than anything else. the reduction of defense is CRAP. absolute CRAP. and then with the pot delay, it's even worse. 3 dogs can be a benefit i guess, if you are going just to kill the monsters...but you barely get any experience. Mel on the boards says it's alright for elves since they shoot bows and therefore don't need higher defense...WELL, take this into consideration:
1.not all elves are bow elves. I use a sword. until now, it worked really nicely. now sword elves are next to useless(worse defense, slow pots)
2. umm, you forget, they recently NERFED bows damage(not in this update, but about a week ago. they considered the damage done by bows a "bug"). for example, my friend, a lvl 48 dex elf with a +8yumi did about 25-30+ damage a hit before the nerf. Now he does about 15-20 damage. thats AWEFUL. even with the bow damage bonus, a knight will dominate an elf.

the only good i see about this update is the mr bonus for non-knights. but honestly, when do you really need magic resistance that bad? only in pvp. oh wait, knight still dominates all.

after prince, mages have it the worst. prince has always been nerfed. mage class used to be good. now they are horrible. my friend's +7som steals 2mp a hit. if he can hit.

it just pisses me off because nc never listens to complaints. i can almost guarantee that they won't fix this. nc austin needs to get a mind of their own. korea's definition of a good game and north america's definition of a good game is COMPLETELY different. they have to realize that there has to be balance, not one class dominates all.

mage class: dead
elf class: dying
prince class: always been dead

knight class: dominate as usual

everyone flood nc austin with e-mails, it's the only way we can possibly get this straightened out. fix this, Sandra.

June 20, 2002 09:03 pm ET (#128)
Jasuda
Loyal Fan

26 posts
03-13-02

Murond

Just one comment:
my friend's +7som steals 2mp a hit. if he can hit.


I believe this to be true if your friend doesn't use dex spell. I always use dex spell and I get (with +6 SOM) anywhere from 2-12 hp per swing and I hit much more often than I miss like 5 out of 6(except on Turtle Dragons - gotta hit them in the head to score the hit, I have no idea why.)

Now I am not sure of this but my level being 46 might have something to do with it.

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