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April 16, 2003 09:10 pm ET - research by amateras

4/16 - Korean Live Server update (3 of 3)

The following updates (https://bbs.lineage.co.kr/lineage/new_announcement/update/read.asp?ListNum=147&PageNum=1) were published to the Korean Live Servers on 4/16:

Number of Dire Wolves summoned has been changed to be CHA based:
- CHA 8-10: 1 Dire Wolf
- CHA 11-17: 2 Dire Wolves
- CHA 18+: 3 Dire Wolves
Blood to Soul delay has been increased to 12 seconds, however, currently if you cast other magic with delays, the delays will add up, which is not the desired effect. That issue is being worked on.

April 16, 2003 09:15 pm ET (#2)

forciano
Loyal Fan
120 posts
10-01-02

12 secs o.o

April 16, 2003 09:15 pm ET (#3)

theclanx
Loyal Fan
111 posts
07-09-02

OMG....nerf nerf nerf!!!

April 16, 2003 09:17 pm ET (#4)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

12 sec delay?
what bull is this
nooooooooooo
decrease b2s drops!!!!

don't make it 12 sec delay!!!!

April 16, 2003 09:18 pm ET (#5)

Rincewind
Loyal Fan
279 posts
02-12-02

Sweet! More nerfs! ^^

April 16, 2003 09:24 pm ET (#6)

TaosZ
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-14-02

OMG that Delay better not come to US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 16, 2003 09:25 pm ET (#7)

Alexei
Loyal Fan
34 posts
09-11-02

Delay no good...price will go down now :'(
Off topic, anyone not able to go onto Lineage home page. I cant >.<
I need to post on LoA trading board...

April 16, 2003 09:30 pm ET (#8)

deathskye
Loyal Fan
81 posts
01-09-02

.....my first post gone....
oh oops sorry hehe it was supposed to be OMG
withought the F o.O

oh well back to hunting with pots thx to NC

April 16, 2003 09:34 pm ET (#9)

Chum
Loyal Fan
116 posts
10-17-02

i think nc gets mad at people getting lvl 50.. or atleast any other class having something good besides knights.

April 16, 2003 09:37 pm ET (#10)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

Was the 12 sec b2s been tested? I didn't see it happen on their test server publish.

April 16, 2003 09:37 pm ET (#11)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

TaosZ:
If a Lineage update is a rock, putting it on Korean Test is like putting it on a cliff. Putting it on Korean Live is like pushing it over the cliff. The US Live servers are located directly under that cliff.

The question is, will we catch the rock or get crushed by it.

April 16, 2003 09:49 pm ET (#12)

DarkIntruder
Loyal Fan
51 posts
03-07-02

Amer:
Going by what you said, HOW BIG A ROCK?
Because if its a small rock, we will probably catch it, a big one, maybe, a HUGE one, *splat*.

April 16, 2003 09:51 pm ET (#13)

Ashtray
Loyal Fan
55 posts
10-03-02

12 seconds T_T

April 16, 2003 09:53 pm ET (#14)

ChacarDragom
Loyal Fan
10 posts
02-04-03

this is annoying, but one good thing to keep hope for... even if the nerfs hit the US servers, the chances of said nerfs hitting LoA server are very low, since LoA server seems to get blessed with a staff that listens to our needs instead of force feeding us things that we dont want.

ChacarDragom
"Knowledge is the foundation, Understanding is the door, and truth lies within."

April 16, 2003 09:53 pm ET (#15)

lungshou
Loyal Fan
69 posts
06-11-02

Krap, b2s delay already too slow. Clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, wheee, clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, clik, wheee, etc. :>

April 16, 2003 09:54 pm ET (#16)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

DarkIntruder: Good question. I think it isn't as big of a rock as it sounds. The bigger rock is the increased B2S drop rate.

April 16, 2003 09:58 pm ET (#17)

DarkIntruder
Loyal Fan
51 posts
03-07-02

Amer:
I agree.

CDragon:
That's because LoA is NOT in unision with the Korean servers. Completely US-based.

April 16, 2003 10:00 pm ET (#18)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

LOL amer u crack me up...

on a side note, are u the same amer i see on the eve beta boards?!

April 16, 2003 10:11 pm ET (#19)

Prince Drathen
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-04-02

There's a difference between the LoA staff listening to what you guys say, and the LoA staff making Lineage too easy.

How can you nerf a class that already has it all? So what, B2S will take a few seconds longer. Elves still have way too much going for them. What do you expect from a spell that works so well?

April 16, 2003 10:14 pm ET (#20)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

if dark elves can use all the good shit regular elves can, im supin up a new dark elf when they come out, before the elves get nerfed as bad as mages...hehe

(this is assuming that the rumor is true)

April 16, 2003 10:16 pm ET (#21)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

FreaX: Yes. :-P

April 16, 2003 10:29 pm ET (#22)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

DUDE! what race are u? both my chars gallente, look me up as FreaX on there :)

April 16, 2003 10:31 pm ET (#23)

Scaleb
Loyal Fan
224 posts
10-24-01

Hmm, damn good analogy Amer.

Still I wonder what the current delay is? Also they meantioned a bug with it: If they fix that it should mean you can cast any other spell other than b2s during the b2s delay right? It's not as much a nerf as it sounds I think.

Anyway, why change the dire wolves to a different system, why not just give a slightly lower mop, or nerf the dire wolves slightly: NC always seems to take the long way around things >.<

April 16, 2003 10:31 pm ET (#24)

Fangar
LC Reporter
125 posts
06-05-02

I actually think this is a great update. Yeah no one likes to see nerfs, but B2S is a very powerful spell. This balances it a bit...

You'll be fine, will just take some getting used to...

April 16, 2003 10:32 pm ET (#25)

amer
LC Admin
864 posts
07-11-01

Well, every pwipe, I pick a different race. Haven't decided which I will be when it goes live.. we should start a Lineage corp if there are enough people who play both games. :)

Chat/Mail me in game (amer) and we'll talk. :)

April 16, 2003 10:48 pm ET (#26)

yakuzakhan
Loyal Fan
0 posts
12-15-02

12 secs? what the....
It kills elves....
without b2s can't hunt at all omg!!!!!
damn yo!~ i wish that publish not on US

April 16, 2003 11:14 pm ET (#27)

h2ombre
Loyal Fan
333 posts
02-28-02

newsflash yakuzakhan, many elves hunt w/o b2s right now. elves were lvl 49 before b2s ever came. they've only increased the delay. who says you cant use it

April 16, 2003 11:23 pm ET (#28)

Asland
Loyal Fan
114 posts
04-23-02

hope this update make ppl stop playing elf b/c there is just too many now @.@

April 16, 2003 11:30 pm ET (#29)

melanor
Loyal Fan
61 posts
10-15-02

ahh i was hoping to have 4 dire wolfs when i get to 52 and get that ring

April 16, 2003 11:55 pm ET (#30)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

Noooooooooooo ~_~ I just bought b2s and started elf!!! for 1.4 mill O_O lol~

April 17, 2003 12:14 am ET (#31)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

i already got my own corp Amer, and so far the only lineage players i know on eve are me and u o.O, small corp that would be...lol i tried messaging u in game, but u musta been afk i guess, added u to my addressbook

April 17, 2003 12:21 am ET (#32)

megasnake
Loyal Fan
44 posts
02-02-03

12 seconds not that bad i dont use 2 b2ses within in 12 secs that much in my hunting so im fine

April 17, 2003 12:21 am ET (#33)

Legolas4
Loyal Fan
127 posts
05-31-02

The thing is b2m has virtually no delay and is 2 mp...you can almost do 10 b2m's in the time it will take to cast b2s once...This will make b2m a better choice...

I guess NC didn't hear our pleas to make other classes better rather nerf the good class(es).

April 17, 2003 12:38 am ET (#34)

Retro
Loyal Fan
5 posts
09-18-02

HA-HA

April 17, 2003 01:02 am ET (#35)

NeoCross
Loyal Fan
139 posts
03-20-02

I play eve-online

I'm in the Xenotek corp with a couple of other lineage'ers

April 17, 2003 01:55 am ET (#36)

EvilAngel
Loyal Fan
38 posts
11-04-02

LOL... NC really loves to make ppl quit lineage ... grats nc u made me quit.. i was think aobut come back.. but 12sec delay on b2s? lol no thx

April 17, 2003 02:01 am ET (#37)

BitemyBallz
Loyal Fan
4 posts
04-30-02

what game are you talking about amer and neocross?

April 17, 2003 02:05 am ET (#38)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

Not to sound newbish and all, but what's a dire wolf?

April 17, 2003 02:26 am ET (#39)

vision
Loyal Fan
22 posts
10-13-02

something that hits almost as hard as a gaurd x.x

April 17, 2003 02:27 am ET (#40)

Kaerid
LC Reporter
46 posts
09-06-02

b2m delay is 2 sec, so it takes 20sec to cast it 10 times for 20mp... b2s is 50hp for 20mp, and will still be 8sec faster (20sec - 12 sec = 8sec), right? maybe i'll buy it now when price comes down...

April 17, 2003 03:15 am ET (#41)

IRA
Loyal Fan
73 posts
07-07-02

Whast actuall delay on blood to soul please?

April 17, 2003 03:15 am ET (#42)

IRA
Loyal Fan
73 posts
07-07-02

Whats actuall delay on blood to soul please?

April 17, 2003 03:28 am ET (#43)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

right now b2s is 7 seconds

5 more second is gonna kill u??

if u can cast other magic during this time, then it's even better, for certain types of elves

cuz u can cast b2s, then cast a gheal,unlike right now, where u have to wait till b2s's delay is over then cast gheal.

I wouldn't mind having a lil b more delay on b2s, but I wish the nt delay would b shorter.

April 17, 2003 03:45 am ET (#44)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

actually
I can agree with that
if they put in the 12 sec delay
at least give us the power to cast other spells
I remember being able to cast frozen cloud after casting NT
but since they changed that
it is a pain waiting 30 seconds to cast anything at all
that is the least they could do, many wouldn't complain as much otherwise
and is quite reasonable

just shows dire wolves r the ultimate summons hehe
they sure hurt alot as it is
wonder if a high int mage can just tame some dire wolves for themselves? @_@

April 17, 2003 03:46 am ET (#45)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

IMHO this delay ruins the spell...heck, when engeaged in battle with large groups of weaker mops, b2s was useful even when gettin beat on, specially if u wanna just get in 1 frozen cloud to take em all out, but now u have to wait even longer to be able to cast anything after it, not good.

basically NC realized how good water elves were with b2s so they decided to nerf it

i still dont see the logic in nerfing. if one class is better than another to an unfair point, dont make good things useless, just make new shit to improve the class that is behind!

April 17, 2003 04:14 am ET (#46)

HollowKnight
Loyal Fan
posts
04-17-03

quote

Blood to Soul delay has been increased to 12 seconds, however, currently if you cast other magic with delays, the delays will add up, which is not the desired effect. That issue is being worked on.

end qoute

I may be wrong, but from what the above says, it seems like you will now be able to cast other spells right after you cast B2S. The delay will only affect the casting of another B2S. Amer, is this a correct assumption or did I misread it? If it is correct, then this is a nice addition. Even if there is now a longer delay.

April 17, 2003 04:31 am ET (#47)

Linny
Loyal Fan
166 posts
05-01-02

here we go, more nerf on mages

April 17, 2003 05:51 am ET (#48)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

"I may be wrong, but from what the above says, it seems like you will now be able to cast other spells right after you cast B2S. The delay will only affect the casting of another B2S. Amer, is this a correct assumption or did I misread it? If it is correct, then this is a nice addition. Even if there is now a longer delay."

that's what I'm saying, if u can cast other spells within the b2s delay, then it's, in a way, better.

many times I b2s myself down to 100hp, and wait for the delay to get over so I can nt myself, but then an archer or 2 show up at the edge of my screen, that really feaks me out cuz the delay is no yet over, and I have such low hp, always scared if some coi pker suddenly pop up and end me like that.

I doubt it's gonna b a huge difference in hunting, it's gonna b different way of hunting, and time usage, but overall concept of this spell is to b a secondary spell, not primary as how it is right now.

but it's going to make some difference in fights and sieges.

u take some, u give some, don't whine about it taking longer, cuz ppl hunted and fought when it was never.

April 17, 2003 06:36 am ET (#49)

TheCollector
Loyal Fan
351 posts
09-07-02

water elves with b2s are quite powerful in terms of money making yes, but they still suffer the same fate as summon mages. a summon mage uses summons so they can hunt and make money becuase they are able to kill things faster and with less pain to themselves. elves, on the other hand, can deal the damage (without a cost to mana per decent damage attack), but cannot kill as many mops as fast if they are spending alot of their time casting b2s and NT.

im not going to make any further comments on the subject until the update comes to us, if it ever comes. this is because i have not yet experienced the magnitude of its negative effect.

April 17, 2003 08:15 am ET (#50)

McLeans
Loyal Fan
137 posts
09-17-02

on the bright side... I don't have to buy that cha ammy now ^^

April 17, 2003 08:39 am ET (#51)

ikaris
Loyal Fan
37 posts
11-01-02

I think what NC is trying to do is forcing elves to use pots instead of spells while hunting...just like those knights (hit,hit,hit,pot,hit,hit,hit,pot,*mage cancel*, venz). hahaha knights suck!

April 17, 2003 01:23 pm ET (#52)

DIVERSAL
Loyal Fan
138 posts
10-06-02

WTH~??!?! ONLY 1 DIRE WOLF?! GAHHH!!! HOW I SUPOSED TO HUNT?!!? GAHH!!

April 17, 2003 02:31 pm ET (#53)

Tissot
Loyal Fan
180 posts
06-22-02

#52 DIVERSAL >.< funny

April 17, 2003 02:44 pm ET (#54)

PebDiGaetano
Loyal Fan
103 posts
10-12-02

12 sec B2S isn't going to make that great of a difference it will help other classes vs a lvl 50 elf with natures blessing ^_^ I always thought B2s needed to have a longer delay ^_^ still won't effect me

April 17, 2003 04:03 pm ET (#55)

KOE
Loyal Fan
43 posts
10-03-01

1 dire wolf could still own 2 kbb's

http://www.lineagecompendium.com/addcomment.php?newsid=1453

1 dire wolf kills 2 kbb with 300hp left

And since Kbb are stronger then ettins, well you see where im going 1 dire wolf is more then equal to 2 summons. 1 less summon is worth it when they are 4x as strong as the next best summon.

April 17, 2003 04:18 pm ET (#56)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

just use the spell when mp is lowered --;
don't really have to wait till the mp drops to 0 to use such spell~

April 17, 2003 05:07 pm ET (#57)

ChacarDragom
Loyal Fan
10 posts
02-04-03

Hey FreaX... I happen to be in Eve beta. Give me a shout sometime. Same name, just with a space in it.

Eve rocks, if you dont mind mining astroids for the first week of your life. ^^

April 17, 2003 05:22 pm ET (#58)

FreaX
Loyal Fan
158 posts
11-13-02

hell, prettymuch the only way to make money after u get sumwhere is still mining :(

i got a hunter and a ceo of a miner corp :) if interested in joinin that corp msg me in game, FreaX is the name :)

April 17, 2003 08:39 pm ET (#59)

McLeans
Loyal Fan
137 posts
09-17-02

#55 I don't think you're right...
1 dire wolf = 2 kbb (3 kbb beat dire wolf...)
SO
after you finally got to 52, which is hell for mage
AND
bought a rosc for 50m (yeah they rare^^)
THEN
I think that mage deserves a reward, dont you think?

April 18, 2003 09:24 pm ET (#60)

Malakar
Loyal Fan
66 posts
10-25-02

anyone remember how 1 dire wolf barely beat the elf greater summon? and remember that dire wolves require lvl 52, and elf greater summons require lvl 50? lol

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